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additional july 8th

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black it's your host

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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good evening all right fade to black

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welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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a the planets i'm your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing i know how you're doing

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you're doing pretty good that's right

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tonight is fader night open lines all

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it's not a secret anymore is it

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and how big is this show well yeah

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of hypocrisy in the band pain

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you're ready to go well i need you to go

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i posted everything up in social media

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go click get your tickets get your info

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it's going to be great so go and get

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the item is one of the only eight

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measuring less than eight inches square

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pale pink beige paper using silver point

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chemically treated paper with silver

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rods or wire the sketch

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439 dollars in today's money

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incredible now also christie's i still

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a flawless rectangular step

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cut 100 carat diamond

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polished gem has just sold for 14.1

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in geneva it's called the

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spectacle the gem was cut from a 207

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carat diamond mined in 2016 by the

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company

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al rosa in russia's far east

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incredible let's get the show cracking

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happy birthday to

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today stephen colbert today

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he's funny most of the time

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stephen colbert today is 56 stevie

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wonder today is 70.

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and you know you go and you think about

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all of the hits

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wonder

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sir duke i'm going with sir duke

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harmonica player for the jay giles band

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i said it i said it i swore i was gonna

303
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say that without laughing today

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magic dick is 75 blues brother blue lou

305
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marini today is 75

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and also today guitar god buckethead

307
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is 52. our dead guy's birthday today is

308
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chuck schuldiner 1967-2001 moment of

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silence please

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died at the age of 34. chuck

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was a singer songwriter and guitarist he

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founded the band

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death in 1983 at the age of 16.

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chuck is considered the creator of death

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metal

316
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he didn't really like that but that's

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what happened

318
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but more importantly he was one of the

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most significant figures

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in the history of metal he was ranked

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number 10

322
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in the book 100 greatest metal guitarist

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and number 20

324
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in the march 2004 guitar worlds the 100

325
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greatest metal guitarist in 1999

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he was diagnosed with brain cancer and

327
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on december 13

328
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2001 chuck died at the age

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of just 34. incredible

330
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on this day in history otd 1607

331
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some 100 english colonists

332
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arrived at the east bank of the james

333
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river in virginia to found

334
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jamestown the first permanent english

335
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settlement

336
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in north america fader fact okay

337
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here you go how do i do this man

338
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because a man named

339
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wayne wheeler was stabbed in the leg

340
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with a pitchfork by a drunk

341
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farmhand he went on and got

342
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prohibition passed in the united states

343
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and made alcohol illegal

344
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in 1919 the 18th amendment banned the

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production

346
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transport and sale of alcoholic

347
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beverages

348
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all because of wayne in a pitchfork

349
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that is your fader fact tonight very

350
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special guest

351
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jacques valet is with us paula harris is

352
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with us

353
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and this is a very exclusive evening

354
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announcement and conversation

355
00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:56,880
about their new book trinity

356
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the best kept secret all right

357
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:02,400
all right they'll be with us at the

358
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bottom of the hour right now

359
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:06,000
it's time for me to hit this river moon

360
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the best i like my coffee doc

361
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rivermoonwellness.com we have

362
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we have our store on amazon we have the

363
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websites you have a promo code for the

364
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websites f2b

365
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:29,280
blend 15 off of your order today

366
00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:31,760
it is the best coffee in the world

367
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:32,640
that's it

368
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:35,120
none better fade to black blend game

369
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changer blend

370
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:38,559
go and get the best coffee in the world

371
00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:40,960
all right all right

372
00:18:55,029 --> 00:18:48,710
this is always

373
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where i take the opportunity

374
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that's right and i enjoy it

375
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:07,760
i really do i enjoy it i enjoy it

376
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:11,520
and tonight is going to be one of those

377
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:13,600
moments

378
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:16,559
that's right i'm sure that some of you

379
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:18,240
are expecting me to talk about jacques

380
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:18,960
and paula

381
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:21,840
and in the book right now and and it's

382
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:23,360
important you know you know

383
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:26,640
uh so yeah i get it because i'm not

384
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:29,840
so go ahead and post respond

385
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:33,039
flame out red pill

386
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:37,520
go on the attack i'm ready

387
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:40,880
i can deal with it in the words of pat

388
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:47,510
hit me with your best shot go for it

389
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:54,630
earlier today i went to the store

390
00:20:08,070 --> 00:20:03,990
and while i was there

391
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:08,080
i walked past a display

392
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:18,950
on sale and

393
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:22,240
i was there for other stuff man but

394
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:26,480
there it is right and i stop and i look

395
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:33,110
frosted strawberry

396
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:36,400
holy crap right i could taste them for

397
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:37,120
like five

398
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:40,880
feet away and i couldn't resist

399
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,480
i grabbed the box and headed back to the

400
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,559
bunker

401
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,720
now i want you to understand that

402
00:20:53,470 --> 00:20:50,640
outside

403
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,480
of that door in the far end of the room

404
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:55,679
outside of the new bunker

405
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:00,840
down the hall and through a room or two

406
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,080
right well you have to understand i'm in

407
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:06,000
the back of a large commercial building

408
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:07,679
now but anyway

409
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:11,039
there is an actual

410
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:17,830
and they have a real toaster but before

411
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:20,559
i get to that

412
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:23,120
let's all be very clear and honest right

413
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:24,640
now

414
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:29,280
this planet

415
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:32,640
like a freshly toasted frosted

416
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,039
strawberry pop-tart right

417
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:39,520
now i hope that we are all on the same

418
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:48,070
but the flavors are explosive

419
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:51,750
the strawberry filling is over the top

420
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:55,120
it's strong it's always too much right

421
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,559
it's more berry than any real berry on

422
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:00,400
earth

423
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,159
but you have the toasted pie crust

424
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:06,080
you know to take the edge off of the

425
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:07,520
extreme berry

426
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:10,320
you know and it's warm it's fresh out of

427
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,679
the toaster and the balance between the

428
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,320
two was like a fine french wine with

429
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:18,640
great cheese

430
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,080
but then you have

431
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:25,440
the secret sauce that frosted

432
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,039
sugar coating with the colored crystal

433
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,000
chunks of something you know chemicals

434
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:34,080
that should be illegal probably in most

435
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:41,750
the adrenaline and the excitement

436
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,280
in my head the emotional overtones of my

437
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:46,799
childhood right now i'm wearing a

438
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,360
spacely sprockets t-shirt i love my

439
00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,440
childhood

440
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,919
right and knowing that i have an

441
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:55,440
unopened box

442
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,640
and a toaster down the hall

443
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:01,360
that is plugged in and ready to go man

444
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:01,919
i'm

445
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,360
man you know and it's like that's it

446
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:08,159
that's it i've waited long enough you

447
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,480
know

448
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,400
do you remember bruce willis in pulp

449
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,159
fiction you remember that

450
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,200
when he ripped open that foil-covered

451
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,880
pop-tart

452
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,799
dropped him in the slots of the toaster

453
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,799
you remember that you remember he was

454
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,880
ready you remember how excited he was

455
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,880
john travolta pops out of the bathroom

456
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:26,880
machine gun you remember all of that

457
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:30,320
okay all right all right

458
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,240
well today i was ready to

459
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,280
and then the magic happens man you know

460
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,520
it you're there you rip it you you you

461
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:43,760
know that the sound

462
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:47,520
of the of the foil and the the pop-tarts

463
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:48,960
you know you put them in the toaster you

464
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:51,840
push it down the toasting action

465
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,200
you know the smell this

466
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:57,600
i can't i can't explain it the smells

467
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:58,480
that just like

468
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,159
waft and tremble in the room you know

469
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:04,640
and i know you're so with me right now

470
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:05,200
right

471
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:12,149
i grabbed them as soon as they popped up

472
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,760
you remember a pulp fiction they popped

473
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:15,039
up out of the toaster that's

474
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,080
it machine guns flare but

475
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:20,320
ah they pop up and they're too hot to

476
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:21,679
handle you know the drill

477
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,120
right these are ah right and boom and

478
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,600
and uh pull them out and uh walk them

479
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,960
back to the bunker you know they're

480
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:31,200
wrapped in a paper towel

481
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:34,400
keep them warm life is good

482
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:39,120
man and it's about to get better

483
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:42,799
so i sit in this chair

484
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,590
nothing happens i'm serious

485
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,960
absolutely nothing happens and i'm

486
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:56,480
confused

487
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,919
i take another bite and now i'm actually

488
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,799
thinking about

489
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,559
what is going on i'm waiting for

490
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,159
everything to take off

491
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,400
i'm waiting for the uncontrolled flavor

492
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:07,760
explosion

493
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:12,159
and it's dead the pop-tart

494
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:16,799
was lifeless no flavor

495
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:20,400
no flavor of anything not even a hint of

496
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:23,760
i can't explain it of anything

497
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:27,039
now i ate the whole thing

498
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,720
well i i finished one and only because i

499
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:33,039
was committed i was committed

500
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:40,950
is the leftovers

501
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:44,470
the unfinished frosted strawberry

502
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:50,310
for the first time in my life look at

503
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:51,600
you know the melted

504
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:54,720
chemical pink things in the frosting

505
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:55,279
right

506
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:59,200
all the good stuff for the first time in

507
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:00,640
my life like in ever

508
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:04,320
and ever i didn't polish off

509
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:08,320
the two pop-tart toaster drop

510
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:15,510
for the first time but and that's not

511
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,410
even the worst part of the day

512
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:20,159
[Laughter]

513
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:26,159
it's not i realized that i will never

514
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,640
have another pop-tart again nope

515
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:33,360
it's not going to happen really bummed

516
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:34,320
me out

517
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:37,600
the heartbreak and let down was so

518
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:41,520
drastic that i seriously know that

519
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:44,720
my mind has been made up

520
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,600
the decision is final it will never

521
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:49,600
change

522
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:53,600
that's right today

523
00:27:03,110 --> 00:26:58,320
today there were actual flying toasters

524
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,510
i should have shot some video man

525
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,600
should have shot some video sent it to

526
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,120
jeremy corbell

527
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,000
[Laughter]

528
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:17,279
he would have gotten it on fox news

529
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:20,880
uh i mean

530
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:24,480
my fondest childhood

531
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,310
an unfinished pop-tart

532
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,679
there it is cold

533
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,679
wrapping it back up in the paper towel

534
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:41,760
that i brought it in here with

535
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:45,200
i got crumb i'm upset i'm upset

536
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,080
and i hope you are angry too that's what

537
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,080
this part of the show is

538
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,279
go out go out buy some pop-tarts pop

539
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:55,200
them in the toaster take a bite

540
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,279
and see and see what's happening

541
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:02,480
your saturday mornings everything that

542
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:02,960
those

543
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,600
memories right i don't know what

544
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:06,960
happened

545
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,080
to black i

546
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,679
am your host jimmy churchman i got

547
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,120
crumbs everywhere

548
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,679
tonight jacques valet and paula harris

549
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:17,279
are with us

550
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,360
this is a a very anticipated show and i

551
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:22,799
get that

552
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:25,919
when the news broke uh last week

553
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,799
about this new book the rumors are out

554
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:30,000
there people are chatting about

555
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,120
it they're talking about the case

556
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:33,360
they're talking about parts

557
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,799
i saw all of it so tonight and i said to

558
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:38,640
paula and i said to jacques before the

559
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,279
show

560
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:42,480
said i don't know much most of us don't

561
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:45,760
you guys do so i am going to

562
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,880
explore all of this with the audience

563
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:50,559
and we are going to learn

564
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,080
together and uh we chuckled a little bit

565
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:55,760
but they understand too

566
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:58,240
they want to be here tonight on fade to

567
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,440
black to hang out

568
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,240
with all of you so let's get started i

569
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:03,840
am your host jimmy church

570
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:06,399
this is fade to black on the game

571
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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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jimmy church radio

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church

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on the game changer network and kgra

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the planet all right tonight

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jacques vale and paula harris join us

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for an exclusive evening announcement

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and discussion about their new book

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trinity the best kept secret

719
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,119
now there are a lot of rumors and

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speculations surrounding this exciting

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release and tonight

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we're going to address everything all

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right only right here on fade to black

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now

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dr valet was a senior researcher at the

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darpa funded

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augmentation research center at sri at

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the very beginning of the rv program

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initiated by dr put off and russell targ

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in 1971.

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he's also had a long interest in the ufo

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phenomenon

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and has earned the reputation of being

734
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one of the most rigorous incredible

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researchers in the field

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he was the model for the french

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scientists figure played

738
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that's right everybody knows and steven

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spielberg's classic film

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close encounters of the third kind paula

741
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harris is a photojournalist

742
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and investigative reporter in the field

743
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of ufos and extraterrestrial related

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phenomena and research

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with a master's degree in education she

746
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also

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is widely published a freelance writer

748
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and she has studied extraterrestrial

749
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related phenomena

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00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,000
since 1979 from 1980 to 1986

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she assisted dr j allen heineck

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now her books include connecting the

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docs making sense of the ufo phenomena

754
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how do you speak to a ball of light

755
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exo-politics stargate to a new reality

756
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all the above and beyond in her latest

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book

758
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conversations with colonel corso her

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production company of course is star

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works usa

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llc and she produces the laughlin ufos

762
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and consciousness

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conferences with a focus on disclosure

764
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consciousness raising

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and an exo-political dialogue with

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international speakers and i would like

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to welcome

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again back to fade to black jacques

769
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valet

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and paula harris good evening guys how

771
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are the two of you

772
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,040
a good evening uh jimmy it's good great

773
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to be on your show again

774
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,839
absolutely jacques paula how are you i'm

775
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doing fine

776
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,960
jimmy and i'm really excited about

777
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tonight's conversation

778
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,760
yeah so am i and i almost want to start

779
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:05,200
with you paula but i'm going to shift

780
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over to jacques for

781
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one moment if i can and and and

782
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:14,160
jacques you you normally

783
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are in a climate of non-drama right

784
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but here we are this

785
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this book and everything were you

786
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prepared

787
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for the chatter and the rumors and

788
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everything that is

789
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is going down right now in social media

790
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around you in this book

791
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:37,200
well i i try to separate the the chatter

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as you say

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and you know which is typical of the

794
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internet

795
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typical of social networks and you know

796
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,760
it's an indication that people are

797
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excited

798
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:50,160
about the subject um i

799
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yes i i like to study things

800
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,680
you know that's what you do in science

801
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:57,200
but once in a while

802
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,800
science gets out of the lab and it gets

803
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:02,160
exciting

804
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:05,599
for a long time people have accused me

805
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:09,359
of not paying attention to uh ufo

806
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:10,160
crashes

807
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:14,880
and and you know recovery of materials

808
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:17,440
and meta materials and all that and to

809
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:18,480
some extent

810
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:21,440
they're right except that i was doing

811
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:22,400
some of that

812
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,520
quietly and then a few years ago

813
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,560
thanks to some friends who actually

814
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,320
lived in new mexico

815
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:33,359
uh i became involved and uh

816
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:36,240
i started actually you know going on

817
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:37,760
digs with them

818
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:40,560
and then you know the question is what

819
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:41,680
do i bring

820
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,480
you know what what resource do can i

821
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,240
bring to that kind of study

822
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:49,200
and what i what i could bring was some

823
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:49,920
of the

824
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from silicon valley that i'm very

825
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:55,599
familiar with

826
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:58,800
so that's how i became interested i

827
00:40:03,430 --> 00:39:59,599
heard

828
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:03,440
of this particular case through them

829
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,040
and and then i discovered that

830
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:09,280
power and i had been doing the same

831
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,400
thing for

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00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,319
several years before me and she knew a

833
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,119
lot more about the case than i did

834
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,400
so then we joined forces and uh you know

835
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:20,240
here we are with this book

836
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,960
now i want to squash some rumors before

837
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:24,720
i get over to paula

838
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:28,160
uh one of the first rumors is

839
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,079
uh jacques immediately uh

840
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,720
the the internet is very smart and

841
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:36,800
they're also very quick you can't outrun

842
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:37,200
them

843
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,640
right and uh the book apparently i

844
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:42,160
didn't get a chance to see this because

845
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:43,280
it happened so quick

846
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:46,000
but the book appeared and disappeared on

847
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,599
your website

848
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,599
and now we're off to the conspiracy

849
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:50,640
races right

850
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,240
here we go uh there the the the man

851
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,240
pulled it down the man is trying to

852
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,560
silence jacques and paul and

853
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,960
and there's the controversy started

854
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,440
right there so can we address that

855
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:05,520
uh did the book appear on your website

856
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:08,319
did it pull down and why

857
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:12,400
so the there was a a radio show

858
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:15,599
that's uh very popular where

859
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:18,880
uh i appeared at the same time

860
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,240
as uh the uh

861
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,240
you know we talked about the phenomenon

862
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,079
the new the new movie

863
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,640
in which i had uh you know a little bit

864
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:30,079
of of input

865
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:33,599
into it into edited editing it

866
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:36,480
the james fox documentary called the

867
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,760
phenomenon

868
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,560
and there we pre-announced the book

869
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,599
because we thought

870
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,240
that we could bring it out quickly and

871
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:45,680
it was ready

872
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,800
and then actually thanks to paula's

873
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:49,920
research

874
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,200
we discovered a third witness and all

875
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,760
the chatter has been about one

876
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,240
witness from way back who was

877
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,000
controversial

878
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,119
he he passed away some years ago we

879
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,680
we actually you know paula had

880
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,119
interviewed him

881
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,160
um and other people had also but

882
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,680
she was the first to really pay

883
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:13,359
attention to the case

884
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:16,160
very seriously and to investigate it and

885
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,480
you know

886
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:19,599
she's best to to talk about about that

887
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:20,560
period

888
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,359
when i really wasn't aware of what was

889
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:24,720
going on there

890
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:28,560
and then now we have three witnesses

891
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,760
so we had to add considerably to the

892
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:32,800
book

893
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:35,599
and we changed the format it is being

894
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:36,880
reissued

895
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:40,800
in both help cover paperback and

896
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:44,000
the reformatted ebook and it will be

897
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:47,359
out uh you know within a couple of weeks

898
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:48,400
we've announced

899
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,520
june 1st maybe we can be

900
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,520
beat that we are still editing it

901
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,280
because you know i'm a

902
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,839
stupid perfectionist and i want to go

903
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:58,960
through every comma

904
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,000
and every quote and so on there are lots

905
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:03,680
of references

906
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,680
uh and it covers more than this one case

907
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:10,079
uh again you know my contribution is

908
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,880
that

909
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:13,119
you know i'm sort of a computer guy and

910
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,880
i look for patterns

911
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:17,200
i don't look for one case that's going

912
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,920
to solve

913
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,000
everything and we can talk about that

914
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:22,400
later but paul i should talk about

915
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:25,599
how she became the research and you know

916
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,000
uh

917
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,319
instigated all this because if you want

918
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,160
to blame someone you should blame her

919
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,960
that's right and we always blame paula

920
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:34,160
she's quite used to that

921
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:37,920
but but paula the uh the other part

922
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,640
about this uh with jacques in the book

923
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,319
and the release and the new witnesses

924
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,920
coming forward by the way

925
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,000
sabrina who is in the book is listening

926
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:48,160
now big shout out to sabrina

927
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:51,440
um but um paul

928
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,560
it wasn't the cia there wasn't an

929
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,040
agency a three-letter agency that came

930
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:58,720
in and stopped the publishing of the

931
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,200
book

932
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,319
right oh no nobody stopped the

933
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:04,160
publishing of the book it said the book

934
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,040
wasn't

935
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:07,440
completely complete but we didn't know

936
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:08,319
that and

937
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:11,520
this is you know really amazing because

938
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,319
jacques and i want to show a research

939
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,480
method that goes beyond what we thought

940
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:17,839
was finished

941
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,760
jacques and i thought we're done we're

942
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:21,680
finished this is amazing

943
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,160
at four years we have been going to on

944
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:25,680
location at least

945
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,720
three to four times a year to new mexico

946
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,200
we thought it was all done and then

947
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,760
out of the clear blue sky we have the

948
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:35,040
amazing

949
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,000
sabrina and i shout out to sabrina too

950
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,720
and her and her grandsons um

951
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,880
she was part of it now for the people

952
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,839
that don't know

953
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,560
we're dealing with little children we're

954
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:47,599
dealing with

955
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:50,960
uh you know jose who was nine

956
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,160
and with uh remy who was six

957
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,319
but not a regular six and nine these

958
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,720
were very very sophisticated children

959
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,200
and the jose at nine was driving a truck

960
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,319
uh and riding a horse in in in you know

961
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,720
very responsible and then sabrina who

962
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,640
was seven years old

963
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,960
so this is what's so exciting about this

964
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,160
book it's

965
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:14,720
it's uh very truthful because it's

966
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:15,680
through the eyes of

967
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,960
children so uh you know jack and i were

968
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,200
down in new mexico we're

969
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:24,000
talking jose all at once it comes out

970
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,560
that

971
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:27,359
his cousin sabrina was part of this and

972
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,720
had seen

973
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:31,280
the artifacts and and uh you know had

974
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,480
experienced

975
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,240
you know the crash site and we said oh

976
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,000
my god it's not done

977
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:38,000
we've got to go to her and she lives in

978
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,280
california

979
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:42,000
so jacques and i flew out to los angeles

980
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:43,280
and finished up

981
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:46,960
that's that last part which is so

982
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:50,880
amazing uh the detail that these kids

983
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:53,599
give uh and remember one thing jimmy

984
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,240
i'll just

985
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:57,440
say one thing and jack and i realized

986
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:57,839
this

987
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:01,119
in 1945 kenneth arnold had

988
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,960
not had not uh talked about ufos so

989
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:05,839
there was no

990
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:15,119
these kids did not watch tv they never

991
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,400
read a magazine

992
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,480
and they're looking at something you

993
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,079
know they're really close to it they're

994
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:22,079
looking at something they've never seen

995
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:23,359
before

996
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,280
now uh let's uh we're going to get to

997
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:28,880
i was going to say nuts and bolts we're

998
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,280
going to get to all of the details

999
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,400
in this case in just a bit but uh

1000
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:35,920
one of the questions that i have for the

1001
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,400
both of you um

1002
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:40,800
paula i know you really well i know i

1003
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,520
know jacques

1004
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:44,400
really well neither of you told me that

1005
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,680
you were working on

1006
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:47,920
this case specifically i knew that there

1007
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,480
was something bubbling in the background

1008
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,800
but when did you become aware of the

1009
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,160
case first paula

1010
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,280
and did you know that jacques was

1011
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:59,920
also interested in this case and how did

1012
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:00,800
you guys

1013
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,000
connect the dots between each other well

1014
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:06,079
i always say it's the universe i don't

1015
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:06,480
know if

1016
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,440
shock agrees but i was working up first

1017
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:11,119
of all i heard about the case when i

1018
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,319
lived in italy

1019
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:14,960
uh i came back to united states in 2007

1020
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:17,920
but i had read about it in 2005

1021
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,040
on the socorro newspaper uh ben moffits

1022
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,520
uh article on these two little boys and

1023
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,200
my first thought was wow

1024
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,119
why don't my colleagues follow up on

1025
00:47:31,549 --> 00:47:29,520
that i'm in italy i can't do anything

1026
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,559
but then i moved back and

1027
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,119
serendipitously

1028
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,920
um i got a call from the son of the

1029
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:37,520
pilot that flew over

1030
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,880
and he introduced me to the six-year-old

1031
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,160
remy baca

1032
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:44,720
who was up in gig harbor washington well

1033
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,599
it took me

1034
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:47,839
four months to get his confidence enough

1035
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:50,800
to let me fly there and interview him

1036
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:53,920
and then when remy baca died uh

1037
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,280
i then flew down to

1038
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,240
see jose padilla in new mexico and he

1039
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,760
took me on location

1040
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,079
because i'd never seen the crash site so

1041
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:06,480
i was working on it for four years you

1042
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,960
know i

1043
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:09,520
it's a nine year ordeal nine years

1044
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:10,480
totally

1045
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,440
uh if for four to five years i was

1046
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:15,119
working on it i brought a lot of

1047
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,480
researchers

1048
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,920
there they're gonna all come out of the

1049
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:20,079
woodwork i know it because i brought

1050
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,680
them there because i thought it was

1051
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:22,720
important

1052
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,079
case was

1053
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,119
one month after the atomic bomb and that

1054
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,960
we had the location

1055
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:33,040
we had the witnesses and we had

1056
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,160
artifacts which

1057
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:36,880
no other case has and then come to find

1058
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,839
out

1059
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,480
that jacques is working on it with

1060
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,640
another friend of his

1061
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,280
and he in fact the book is dedicated to

1062
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:46,559
his friend

1063
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:49,680
and he wrote me and he said you know can

1064
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,640
you tell me about

1065
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:52,559
he's interested in the medal mostly and

1066
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,839
then i said yeah

1067
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,880
and you in we should continue it so it

1068
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:58,640
had to be top secret

1069
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,760
for for us jimmy because we wanted to

1070
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:03,520
protect the witness

1071
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:05,839
uh people would be knocking on his door

1072
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:06,559
going

1073
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:11,040
to protect the

1074
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,200
the integrity the integrity of this case

1075
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,839
we had to do it right we had to do it

1076
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:18,720
completely

1077
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:21,760
and we had to uh get everything in that

1078
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:22,640
book

1079
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,599
and please ask jacques too about you

1080
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,160
know how our collaboration went because

1081
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,440
he's such a precise scientist

1082
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,240
that i had not done the stuff that he's

1083
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:35,760
done for the book

1084
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:39,280
i only did my part of the book is only

1085
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,920
only exclusively the interviews you know

1086
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,760
i'm gonna say this paula this is what's

1087
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,359
really interesting i want the audience

1088
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:46,880
to understand

1089
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:50,319
uh how cool jacques is jacques will tell

1090
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,359
you

1091
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,920
i have looked at him dead in his eyes

1092
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,400
and said jock give me the secret stuff

1093
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,040
give me something right now right he

1094
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,359
never told me anything

1095
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,680
and and i've asked him on this show you

1096
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,640
know and

1097
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,880
and and that's what a good researcher

1098
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,400
does you don't

1099
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:11,119
uh tarnish what you're working on and

1100
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:11,520
and

1101
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:15,119
jacques how many times have i asked you

1102
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,559
over the years to give me the secret

1103
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:18,400
stuff

1104
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:22,160
well um you know when you

1105
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:25,040
in in well i try to be you know

1106
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:26,240
fastidious

1107
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:30,079
scientist here um and

1108
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,160
if if we had released it prematurely

1109
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:36,480
uh we would never have been able to do

1110
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:37,680
the analysis and

1111
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,920
to some extent after you people read the

1112
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,200
book they realize

1113
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,280
we're just at the beginning of something

1114
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,880
here right right

1115
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:46,880
the reason we called it the best kept

1116
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,079
secret

1117
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:50,319
isn't so much about the government

1118
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:51,680
although the government

1119
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,920
certainly kept the secret and still does

1120
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,839
i mean it you know it brought a big

1121
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:58,960
truck and it

1122
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:02,079
loaded this so-called weather balloon on

1123
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:05,680
an 18-wheeler uh after redoing

1124
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:08,319
the opening to the ranch because they

1125
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,200
couldn't get in

1126
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,200
i mean they could get in with a jeep but

1127
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,040
they couldn't get it

1128
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,079
with a the big truck that was going to

1129
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:19,520
uh carry out the weather balloon

1130
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:22,640
if you see what i mean right so and

1131
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:25,599
it it went away and has never been seen

1132
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,319
again

1133
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,240
and there has never been any trace of

1134
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,720
that information again

1135
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:33,920
except that we have the witnesses

1136
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:37,280
and the witnesses kept it secret

1137
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,720
for about 65 years

1138
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,520
and the reason i i couldn't quite

1139
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:45,520
understand that because you know roswell

1140
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:46,400
came out

1141
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,079
they could have been heroes if they had

1142
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,000
come out and said guess what

1143
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,040
we saw this and we did all this stuff

1144
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:55,839
uh you know two years before roswell

1145
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,160
when

1146
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,880
there was no term ufo there was the term

1147
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:00,319
flying saucer

1148
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,000
hadn't been invented okay the reason

1149
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,440
was and i've learned a lot about new

1150
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:08,800
mexico

1151
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:12,160
and that time that terrible terrible

1152
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,280
time

1153
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,559
in 1945 this thing crashed

1154
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:19,040
two days after the capital nation of

1155
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:19,839
japan

1156
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,880
okay and after what

1157
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,599
scientists like you know dr oppenheimer

1158
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:27,839
called the test

1159
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:30,960
20 20 miles away

1160
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,079
well i started researching

1161
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:37,200
exactly what had happened okay i grew up

1162
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:38,240
in france

1163
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,280
world war ii for me um

1164
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,000
you know i lived through world war two i

1165
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:46,319
was born in 1939

1166
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:49,359
which was a declaration of war uh

1167
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:52,960
in september 1939 and i remember

1168
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,280
world war ii but i remember world war ii

1169
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:56,640
as i grew up

1170
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:00,400
in europe and my my town was liberated

1171
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:04,640
you know in 1944 in the summer of 1944.

1172
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,920
i was five-year-old and i knew what was

1173
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,359
going on

1174
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:12,559
and but i never really learned much

1175
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:13,200
about

1176
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,240
war in the pacific so

1177
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,960
i relearned it i bought a number of

1178
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,920
books

1179
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,520
because i wanted to understand the

1180
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:24,160
context and i wanted to understand

1181
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,520
the landscape and i wanted to understand

1182
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,680
the culture and i wanted to understand

1183
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:30,800
everything

1184
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,079
around these two kids and

1185
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:37,280
the case you know i learned

1186
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:38,960
an enormous amount i had been in new

1187
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:41,760
mexico before i loved new mexico i went

1188
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,400
there

1189
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,359
with dr heineck it turned out that

1190
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,000
northwestern university in chicago

1191
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:51,200
or in evanston has a an observing

1192
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:52,240
station

1193
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:56,319
in in new mexico in the desert area of

1194
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:57,440
new mexico

1195
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:59,839
because the sky is magnificent at night

1196
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:00,480
and you're

1197
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,760
you're at 5000 feet altitude and and

1198
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,680
uh you know you can do a lot of good

1199
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:07,359
astronomy

1200
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,720
so but i didn't know the so much the

1201
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,000
area about

1202
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,880
san antonio this is in this is san

1203
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,319
antonio in new mexico

1204
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:19,440
not san antonio in texas right and

1205
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:23,440
um most of the culture

1206
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,200
of a local culture was spanish or

1207
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:29,200
mexican immigration or spanish

1208
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:30,480
immigration

1209
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:34,720
mixed with the indian population

1210
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:37,920
and the apache and a

1211
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:41,040
a number of other tribes that had uh

1212
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:42,559
settled there

1213
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:45,520
and it was very complex it wasn't what

1214
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,559
you see

1215
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,119
in in most ufo books where something

1216
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,880
fell and somebody saw it and it's all

1217
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,640
very interesting it was much more

1218
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,599
complex than that

1219
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:56,400
on top of that what everybody seems to

1220
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:57,680
have forgotten

1221
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:00,640
was that it was the end of the war it

1222
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:03,599
was the end of the war in the pacific

1223
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:06,319
and it was a terrible terrible terrible

1224
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:07,359
time

1225
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:10,799
and the the people around

1226
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,760
that area were world-class scientists

1227
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:15,599
several nobel prizes

1228
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:19,599
around around fermi

1229
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:22,880
and uh around oppenheimer names

1230
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,079
that were no heroes to me were gods to

1231
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:27,680
me as i grew up as

1232
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:30,720
you know learning physics so

1233
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,680
it was complex and it took several years

1234
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:35,040
to really

1235
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,240
immerse myself you know in what what

1236
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,079
power had done before

1237
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,040
and then try to try to put it in the

1238
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,799
culture of the time because if you don't

1239
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,160
understand the culture

1240
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,680
you don't understand what people are

1241
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,200
saying about

1242
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,760
a phenomenon like you know the crash of

1243
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:52,880
the us room

1244
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:56,640
now consider the following that

1245
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,000
there were two witnesses on the site

1246
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:03,040
before the object crashed it literally

1247
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:03,839
crashed

1248
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,720
over their heads okay and we we can go

1249
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:08,559
into the scene exactly that

1250
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,480
they saw it crash they knew the area

1251
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:15,440
intimately it's not you know my going to

1252
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,160
new mexico

1253
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:18,559
to investigate or somebody going to

1254
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:19,920
argentina to

1255
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,640
ask a few questions for a few days they

1256
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:24,240
they were there

1257
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,520
they were

1258
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:29,280
you know in those days if you were a

1259
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:32,000
nine-year-old i mean all the adults

1260
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,839
were at war and you know the

1261
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,839
the kids had to drive the truck they had

1262
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,440
to take care of the cattle

1263
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,079
they knew how to use binoculars they had

1264
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:44,160
binoculars that were just as good as

1265
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,440
those of the army

1266
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,520
because i had to keep track of the cows

1267
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,440
and read the brands

1268
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:51,040
now those are you know those are the

1269
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,799
things you have to understand

1270
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:55,040
before you go there there they were

1271
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:56,480
working

1272
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,640
fathers sent them there

1273
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:03,200
to keep track of the cattle the the

1274
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,319
reason they were there on that

1275
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:05,760
particular day

1276
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:08,799
was that there was one cow uh who was

1277
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,480
going to have a calf

1278
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,880
and of course they it was important to

1279
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,400
get get to it see

1280
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,319
how the camera was doing how the calf

1281
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:17,440
was doing

1282
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,559
and make sure that you know uh

1283
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,480
nasty neighbors didn't come and steal

1284
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,960
the calf and put their brand on it

1285
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,040
okay we're in you know we're in new

1286
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:28,880
mexico okay

1287
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,839
the third thing is that nobody was

1288
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:33,359
paying attention to them

1289
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,559
when the army came over they they they

1290
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:37,760
knew how to hide

1291
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:40,480
they knew the area very well they were

1292
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,200
over

1293
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:43,920
a nearby ridge and they followed

1294
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:46,640
everything the army guys did

1295
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,319
for the next eight days every day

1296
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,559
except for one day the day after the

1297
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,240
crash they couldn't be there

1298
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:56,079
because their father wanted them to work

1299
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:57,280
on something else

1300
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:00,799
in town and then they came back

1301
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:03,280
in fact they came back with their father

1302
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:03,839
and

1303
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:07,280
with a a state

1304
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,480
um police official

1305
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:13,040
and the father and the state official

1306
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:14,720
went inside

1307
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:18,400
the craft that was open it was

1308
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,520
it was damaged but it wasn't destroyed

1309
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:23,520
the the whole story is just incredible

1310
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,280
in terms of the physics

1311
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:27,680
but we could go into that but that was i

1312
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,440
was fascinated with that

1313
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:31,839
they went inside the kids couldn't go

1314
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:32,880
inside

1315
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:36,000
until the last day and what they saw

1316
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,839
there was fascinating so they had

1317
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,240
they were on site they knew the area

1318
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:44,640
intimately better than the army

1319
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:48,000
they had covered access to the area for

1320
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:48,319
the

1321
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:58,240
soldiers were not looking

1322
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:01,200
the their father went inside the the

1323
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:02,160
thing

1324
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:05,040
they were able to recover some of the

1325
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:06,720
artifacts around

1326
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,280
the craft and we'll we'll go parallel

1327
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:11,280
and i can go into that

1328
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,119
we had that device available to study it

1329
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:18,160
and we are studying it with you know

1330
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:22,079
several other labs one of the witnesses

1331
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:25,440
mr padilla jose pereira who was

1332
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:28,400
a after a long career as a california

1333
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,440
state trooper

1334
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:32,160
has gone back to new mexico and he's

1335
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:39,910
and parallel had met

1336
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:43,040
the other witness remy baca before

1337
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,160
and he as she said he passed away but

1338
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,440
she has the recording and the transcript

1339
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:52,000
of what what he told her about what he

1340
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:52,880
saw

1341
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,839
so we could compare the transcripts as

1342
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,040
you would in court

1343
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:59,200
right you know from after detail after

1344
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:00,319
detail

1345
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:04,400
and also we've had access to the site

1346
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:07,280
which is a private property by the way

1347
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:07,760
um

1348
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,559
which is fenced but i don't encourage

1349
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,000
too many people to

1350
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,799
to go there well let me let me let me

1351
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:16,319
jump in right there jacques we got to

1352
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,760
take a break

1353
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:19,599
but when we come back i want to

1354
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:22,720
specifically speak to the both of you

1355
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:25,040
about the crash site and some of the

1356
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:27,040
rumors that are going around about

1357
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,160
it and let's clear that up too as well

1358
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:32,960
what a great night on the show tonight

1359
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:35,119
jacques valet paula harris and we are

1360
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,319
discussing

1361
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:38,480
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1362
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,599
announcement

1363
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:42,000
about their new book trinity the best

1364
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,799
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1365
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,119
i am your host jimmy church more with

1366
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:47,040
paula and jacques right after this short

1367
01:00:56,530 --> 01:00:47,599
break

1368
01:01:07,670 --> 01:00:56,540
this is fade to black stay with us

1369
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,680
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1370
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:09,839
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1371
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:12,240
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1372
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,200
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1373
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1375
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1403
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1483
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,799
jimmy church tonight jacques vale and

1484
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:06,559
paula harris are here

1485
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:08,160
discussing their new book and the

1486
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:10,480
announcement of trinity

1487
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:14,000
the best kept secret a lot

1488
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:17,200
okay uh to the both of you where we left

1489
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:18,000
off we started to

1490
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:21,359
talk about uh the the debris

1491
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:23,039
and specifically i want to talk about

1492
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:25,839
the debris field up uh paula

1493
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:28,960
the the rumors out there uh

1494
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:31,839
about this you know there been chatter

1495
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:34,000
about a magical debris field in new

1496
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,839
mexico where everybody is going and

1497
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,960
grabbing

1498
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:39,200
uh all kinds of parts and pieces and

1499
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:40,079
things

1500
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:44,240
this isn't that debris field is it

1501
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:46,799
no it isn't at the fact this is a

1502
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:47,599
pristine

1503
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:50,720
field this this location

1504
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:53,520
is about uh almost 20 miles from where

1505
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:54,240
the

1506
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:57,839
you allow me

1507
01:07:01,990 --> 01:07:00,240
i'd like to talk about uh the the

1508
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:02,000
collaboration with jacques because it's

1509
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,520
very very important

1510
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:06,160
because i really believe in the ufo

1511
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:09,359
field more people should collaborate

1512
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:12,480
go ahead i will i was working

1513
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,000
with for on this by myself

1514
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,960
by myself talking to the walls for five

1515
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:20,079
years

1516
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:22,640
and then jacques vallee came and i was

1517
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:24,079
able to do it in a

1518
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:26,720
in a whole different way in shock from

1519
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:28,079
the bottom of my heart

1520
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:31,440
i thank you because he would read

1521
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:34,480
the books in fact the the book opens up

1522
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:36,640
with laura fenmi the wife

1523
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:40,160
of enrico fermi's diary so he

1524
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:43,200
opens up with the atomic bomb and

1525
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,599
when he did that i went and got the book

1526
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:47,280
i read it cover to cover

1527
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:49,200
and then he would read the book called

1528
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:51,200
children of the atom bomber i forgot the

1529
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:52,559
exact title

1530
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,000
about what happened in that area because

1531
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:58,559
jacques will go into details that was

1532
01:08:02,549 --> 01:07:59,680
not a test they

1533
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:02,559
actually exploded a bomb and he would

1534
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:03,760
read the book

1535
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:06,160
and then i would get the book and then

1536
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:07,920
we would discuss it

1537
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:10,960
and then he would notice certain things

1538
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,960
he drove me crazy with the science

1539
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,240
because i

1540
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:16,799
i just did like the interviews and then

1541
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:17,679
he'd say

1542
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:20,159
call up the witness and how how many

1543
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:21,920
wheels was on the truck

1544
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:24,319
you know stuff that i never would do in

1545
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:25,440
a million years

1546
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,080
right and i had to call the witness and

1547
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:29,920
ask how many wheels were

1548
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:32,719
was on the truck that took it out so i

1549
01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:33,040
was

1550
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,880
learning how they should be done

1551
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:37,359
scientifically

1552
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:41,520
and i i was learning so much from him

1553
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:44,960
and he was reading over my interviews

1554
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:47,440
over and over again and learning from my

1555
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:49,040
interviews because

1556
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:50,960
jacques called me relentless he said

1557
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:52,799
you're relentless

1558
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:56,239
he said you you did a pretty good job so

1559
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:59,440
may i encourage people to work together

1560
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:00,719
it is not

1561
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:02,960
this story i don't think is jacques

1562
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:05,600
story or my story it belongs to the

1563
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:06,319
world

1564
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,520
it belongs to humanity it we shouldn't

1565
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:11,839
get possessive about stuff

1566
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:15,600
and and uh the culmination of this book

1567
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:17,600
is a collaboration

1568
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:21,839
and and uh a four-year collaboration

1569
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,960
and and i'm so grateful to have this

1570
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:26,719
come out because if it hadn't been for

1571
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:28,480
him that story would have been lost in

1572
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:29,040
time

1573
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,640
well that's when that's what a

1574
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:32,400
collaboration is all about you know a

1575
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:34,080
singer and a guitar player

1576
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:36,640
you know working together and bringing

1577
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:38,159
the best out of because

1578
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:41,520
it's it's two different minds yes and

1579
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,600
it's a male and female too i mean you

1580
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:45,520
can add that too

1581
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:48,239
male and female have two different minds

1582
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:48,640
and

1583
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:54,239
uh we we always kid around we produce

1584
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:55,520
something here

1585
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:58,800
uh and and it is deeper

1586
01:10:02,310 --> 01:10:00,800
than you can imagine because it isn't

1587
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:02,320
just about a crash

1588
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:05,600
it is not just about children that were

1589
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:06,400
involved

1590
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:08,800
it is about the reaction of the whole

1591
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:10,880
entire city and jacque can go into

1592
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,679
detail

1593
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,840
that were not told that obama was going

1594
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:15,360
to be exploded

1595
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,880
right i mean the residuals and and

1596
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:20,640
i don't know if you heard this detail i

1597
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,960
mean jose's mother was blinded she

1598
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,960
opened the door at 4 30 in the morning

1599
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:26,719
and saw you know

1600
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:30,880
the metaphor is a thousandth sons

1601
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,000
a thousand sons can you imagine and and

1602
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:36,320
she was blinded in one eye and jose left

1603
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:37,040
his ear

1604
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,400
was punctured

1605
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:43,280
from the sound he was so close they were

1606
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:44,480
so close

1607
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:47,679
so jacques covered a historical

1608
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,640
moment that was and by the books he was

1609
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:52,640
studying and i read them too

1610
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:54,800
i mean people aren't reading books so i

1611
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:56,560
mean sometimes we don't get

1612
01:11:02,149 --> 01:10:59,199
the background of all of this stuff it

1613
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:02,159
is not just a crash in isolation

1614
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,679
it's a crash on a timeline of a very

1615
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:07,679
important event

1616
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:11,199
that may even have a message for us

1617
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:14,239
yeah yeah the the uh

1618
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:15,840
the title of the book says it all

1619
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:18,560
trinity and and that test did go

1620
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:21,920
down uh just 20 miles away and

1621
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:25,120
the the timeline there would suggest a

1622
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:26,640
very definite connection

1623
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:29,440
there there's no doubt about that um oh

1624
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,320
i want to

1625
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:32,719
we've got so much to uh jump into

1626
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:34,000
tonight

1627
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:37,679
one of the things uh i want to talk

1628
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,159
about

1629
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:40,960
uh the debris and the artifacts for a

1630
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:42,000
second

1631
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,840
um that this this site is separate from

1632
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,280
what everybody else has been talking

1633
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:49,360
about over the last few years

1634
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:52,640
and there are some very specific pieces

1635
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:56,239
that have been tested one of them

1636
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:59,120
uh that is out there on the net and i've

1637
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,520
got a lot of email people asking me

1638
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,440
directly jimmy you've got to address

1639
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:05,440
this is this part

1640
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:08,480
that looks complete um

1641
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:11,440
that some have suggested it's it's just

1642
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:12,320
a piece

1643
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,440
from a windmill i don't know what this

1644
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,520
i don't know what i'm looking at here

1645
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:19,440
when i see this piece

1646
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:22,480
um uh which one of you jacques you want

1647
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:23,440
to address this

1648
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,400
uh who who who looked at this piece

1649
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:28,560
first

1650
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,760
you paula or jacques oh no i uh i want

1651
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:33,840
jacques to address and he's a scientist

1652
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:34,880
okay and he

1653
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,480
he are you kidding i mean even the idea

1654
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,480
that we would put a windmill piece up

1655
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:42,239
there is ridiculous

1656
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:45,199
well yeah that's so ignorant that in

1657
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:46,960
order to answer that

1658
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,320
that particular piece uh we bought

1659
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:52,880
we bought it we went to the windmill

1660
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:54,719
factory in socorro

1661
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:58,159
that had it's like a a a warehouse it's

1662
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:58,640
like

1663
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:01,679
home depot i have video of the owner

1664
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:02,719
saying no way

1665
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,280
is this piece anywhere near a windmill

1666
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:07,520
piece of the video i mean eventually

1667
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:09,520
all the videos will come out he said

1668
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:12,640
this looks nothing like anything we have

1669
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:14,719
and never will be but we bought the

1670
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:17,520
piece we i actually purchased the piece

1671
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,080
that that

1672
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:21,199
you see on the twitter feed because it's

1673
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,920
ridiculous

1674
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:23,520
if you look both pieces together they

1675
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,880
don't look anything like and they

1676
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:26,960
certainly don't weigh the same

1677
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:30,480
and one is cast iron it has a brand but

1678
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:33,840
let jacques talk to the specifics

1679
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:36,880
of the science of this because he has

1680
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:39,360
he i gave it to him i gave him the

1681
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:40,960
artifact

1682
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:44,159
which was inside the craft that the boy

1683
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:47,280
uh pulled off yeah so i think he

1684
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:50,480
yeah jacques uh have you uh completed

1685
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:51,120
testing

1686
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,600
what have you found out so first we're

1687
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:58,159
immensely grateful to the witnesses

1688
01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:58,800
because

1689
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,840
we talk about what we've done but think

1690
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:02,880
of the burden

1691
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:06,239
on those kids and you know as they grew

1692
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:06,480
up

1693
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,560
you know after the shooting war

1694
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:15,199
there was a cold war and the cold war in

1695
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,239
new mexico

1696
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:18,880
meant that if you talk too much about

1697
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:20,239
some of the atomic

1698
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:23,280
things you might have seen and uh you

1699
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,120
know they had relatives who worked at

1700
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:27,840
white sands just down this you know down

1701
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:28,880
the road

1702
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:31,840
uh you would either be you know

1703
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:34,239
imprisoned or you would be suspect

1704
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:37,360
or you would be you might be sent to an

1705
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:38,800
insane asylum

1706
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,159
and i didn't know that i i realized how

1707
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:45,360
tight the security was years after

1708
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:48,640
the the war the shooting war and

1709
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:51,120
uh so everything we have you know is

1710
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,159
thanks to

1711
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:54,080
to those witnesses who were kids at the

1712
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:56,000
time now

1713
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:59,520
the the artifact itself has been

1714
01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:01,920
has been looked at by a couple of other

1715
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,719
people

1716
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,560
who have published their results we

1717
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:06,400
agree with their results

1718
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:09,679
it's um it's made of a an

1719
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:18,149
it's basically aluminum with no aluminum

1720
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:19,760
isn't very strong

1721
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:21,840
and obviously it's a you know this thing

1722
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,360
is a bracket

1723
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:25,520
similar to what you would use in a

1724
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:26,480
windmill

1725
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:30,000
but as paola found out it is not

1726
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:33,600
a windmill bracket okay the

1727
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,800
so you could say well um my first

1728
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:38,400
reaction was you know

1729
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:40,719
why all the fuss maybe the you know the

1730
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:42,880
army put it there

1731
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:45,280
so we we haven't gone through the day by

1732
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:46,320
day you know

1733
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:49,199
retrieval of the craft but that by

1734
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,679
itself

1735
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,679
is very interesting i mean that could be

1736
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,679
a whole book right there

1737
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:55,440
of what the kids sold day after day

1738
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:58,239
after day and how that was negotiated

1739
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:00,159
and how the army came in

1740
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:03,440
brought the truck erected

1741
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,520
a crane to lift this weather balloon

1742
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:09,679
and the reason i was i wanted to probe

1743
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:11,360
into how many wheels there were on the

1744
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:12,159
truck

1745
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:14,880
was that i wanted to get some idea i you

1746
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:17,360
know i look for patterns among things

1747
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:20,239
i i'm not impressed with one case i want

1748
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:20,640
to

1749
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:22,719
get the whole pattern you know that's

1750
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:23,920
what you do with

1751
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:26,000
you know computer with artificial

1752
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,360
intelligence and so on

1753
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:29,360
so i wanted to know we knew the

1754
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,800
dimensions because

1755
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:32,640
by the way the kids measured the whole

1756
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:35,679
thing when when the soldiers were not

1757
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:38,560
well not looking so we have a good idea

1758
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:40,000
of the dimensions

1759
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:41,600
and i wanted to get an idea of the

1760
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:43,440
weight but that thing

1761
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:47,280
was probably the weight of about two

1762
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:50,560
fraud you know uh at 130 or

1763
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:53,440
or something like that it was uh tons

1764
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:54,400
you know four

1765
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:57,760
five six tons approximately because they

1766
01:17:01,270 --> 01:17:00,400
the soldier you know erected a crane to

1767
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:01,280
lift it

1768
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:04,239
and they have to put it on the truck

1769
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:06,400
sideways to be able to go under the

1770
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:07,679
overpass

1771
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:10,320
that was down down the street to get it

1772
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:11,360
back

1773
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:14,800
to uh to ground zero

1774
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,239
so the the artifact my

1775
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:20,800
my impression i'm still arguing with my

1776
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:22,159
my colleagues who are

1777
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,560
looking at it who know more about metals

1778
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:26,640
and i do i mean i'm a computer guy i'm

1779
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:27,199
not

1780
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,040
then you're getting to the waves about

1781
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:33,360
the metal and the allies and so on

1782
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:36,640
we know what allah it is it's a human

1783
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:39,840
array i mean this this thing i i don't

1784
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:41,360
think it was made on

1785
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:44,800
you know an alpha centauri or

1786
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:48,159
i think it's human but what was it doing

1787
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:49,120
there

1788
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:50,480
and if it's human what are the

1789
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:52,640
implications because it was

1790
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:55,520
inside that thing attached to the wall

1791
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,120
well the soldiers could have done that

1792
01:18:02,630 --> 01:17:58,880
the army could have done that

1793
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:02,640
it it would be convenient to wind up

1794
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:06,159
a cable or to bring power or maybe to

1795
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:07,199
generate power

1796
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:10,400
it was attached to something that could

1797
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:11,040
have been

1798
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:14,159
the primitive generating

1799
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:17,280
you know power thing but you know the

1800
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:17,760
the

1801
01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:22,640
we know that from its dynamics of

1802
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:26,080
how it hit the ground it was under power

1803
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:30,239
when it crashed and it it crashed

1804
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:33,920
creating essentially digging a

1805
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:37,199
road actually the current road follows

1806
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:40,560
the crash trajectory of the thing

1807
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:44,000
it didn't just crash and die it it was

1808
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:47,520
under power when when it went down the

1809
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:47,920
hill

1810
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:51,040
and then it turned it made a turn and

1811
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:54,000
was stopped by a berm by you know by

1812
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:55,440
dirt there

1813
01:19:00,149 --> 01:18:58,880
so um so what was that thing doing

1814
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:00,159
inside so

1815
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:04,159
we people have said well you know it was

1816
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:06,159
it looks like something i don't blame

1817
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:07,600
people for saying that

1818
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:09,760
it looks like something that you'd find

1819
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,520
attached to a windmill

1820
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:13,679
or something that could be used in

1821
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:14,800
aviation

1822
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:16,880
or something that could be used whenever

1823
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,280
you need to transmit power

1824
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:21,679
from one area of a machine to a

1825
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,040
different area

1826
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:25,440
in different ways so it has room for

1827
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:27,120
attachments we don't have the

1828
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:29,280
attachments

1829
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,830
if it was manufactured it would have a

1830
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:37,679
brand on it and it doesn't

1831
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:40,159
so it's a one it's one of the it's one

1832
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:41,120
of a kind

1833
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,760
it was made specially by somebody but

1834
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:45,520
it's not sophisticated i mean you could

1835
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,320
make it

1836
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,800
you know in at the local college you

1837
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:50,480
could you'd have the

1838
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:53,760
the instruments to make it now there are

1839
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:54,640
holes in it

1840
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:57,520
and we've measured everything and it's

1841
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,280
in the metric system

1842
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:01,280
now the army u.s army didn't use a

1843
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:02,480
metric system

1844
01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:05,920
at that you know in world war ii um

1845
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:09,679
so where did it come from so we are

1846
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:12,239
essentially asking this thing to tell us

1847
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:13,840
its story

1848
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:16,320
step by step by step and we're going to

1849
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:18,080
continue to take it apart

1850
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:21,679
other people have done that so before us

1851
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,560
so we give them credit for that and we

1852
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:26,000
you know it's mentioned in

1853
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:29,360
ryan woods book it's mentioned in

1854
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:32,239
several other books and so we've looked

1855
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:34,719
at the literature

1856
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:36,639
of you know people who've looked at it

1857
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,080
before us

1858
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:40,320
what we can do though is we can go we

1859
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:41,520
have labs

1860
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:44,239
that are you know fairly modern in in

1861
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:46,560
silicon valley to look at metals

1862
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:50,080
uh and we're going to keep asking those

1863
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:50,960
questions

1864
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,560
we're we're at the beginning of the

1865
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:54,239
study not at the end

1866
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:56,800
by the way we trust the kids everything

1867
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,159
that we've checked

1868
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,480
from what they've told us and even the

1869
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,120
contradictions between their testimonies

1870
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:05,600
and their later testimony of sabrina

1871
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:06,800
that we need to

1872
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:09,520
bring in i wish paola would talk about

1873
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:11,280
what sabrina had seen

1874
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:14,960
because she came there a few years later

1875
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:18,159
and she saw some of the other artifacts

1876
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,280
um all of that shuts up

1877
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:23,280
i mean there is no the kids are not

1878
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:24,400
lying

1879
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:27,760
how much uh debris or artifacts

1880
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:31,440
do you guys have well we we don't want

1881
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:31,920
to go

1882
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,040
too much into that um

1883
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:37,600
because we're still you know with again

1884
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:38,960
we're at the beginning

1885
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:41,600
of the study not at the end right but

1886
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:43,600
there is more some other

1887
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:46,159
artifacts that we can that we can get

1888
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:46,960
you know i think

1889
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,239
let me uh jump in a little bit um when

1890
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:52,320
this crash happened

1891
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,360
uh we wish there was more because

1892
01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:57,360
what it spread around was something that

1893
01:22:02,470 --> 01:21:58,719
look that

1894
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,480
uh jose called angel hair and and he

1895
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:04,560
called it angel hair sabrina called the

1896
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:05,679
spider web

1897
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:09,360
and it was lighting up it was lighting

1898
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:12,400
it was lighting up it lit up and so

1899
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,239
the boys the two boys got a 10 pound bag

1900
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:18,719
and they filled it with this stuff that

1901
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:19,440
later

1902
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:21,440
we found out could have been fiber

1903
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:22,480
optics

1904
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,960
but the funny part the very funny part

1905
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:26,400
is uh

1906
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:28,960
that they went home and they trimmed the

1907
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:31,280
christmas tree with

1908
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:33,440
they chris they trimmed the christmas

1909
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,320
trees they

1910
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:37,199
trimmed the windows and the people in

1911
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,400
the town

1912
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:40,400
uh came by and said can we get some of

1913
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:41,920
that stuff

1914
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:44,320
and they trimmed their windows with it

1915
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:46,880
and then when i talked to sabrina

1916
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:49,679
she said oh yeah it was uh because

1917
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:52,400
sabrina does not know what jose said

1918
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,880
and jose does not know what sabrina said

1919
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:56,560
she was much younger

1920
01:23:00,950 --> 01:23:00,000
uh jose had moved to california by then

1921
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:00,960
and she said

1922
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,120
you know we had these plastic bags with

1923
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:05,040
this these things that

1924
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:07,280
the filaments that would light up she

1925
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:08,639
said and they would

1926
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:10,719
like burn my hand and they they didn't

1927
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:13,120
really burn it but they pinched my hands

1928
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:15,840
so we're going oh my god you know there

1929
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:16,320
and

1930
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:17,920
you're going to ask me if there is any

1931
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:20,080
of that no we asked her

1932
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:22,800
i we asked her do you have any of that i

1933
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:23,920
mean if we could

1934
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:26,080
just can we talk to the people in the

1935
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,840
town maybe they have the christmas

1936
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:29,040
decorations

1937
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:32,159
from 1945 so jacques and i did an

1938
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:33,120
extensive

1939
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:36,480
study to see if we could get some of the

1940
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:37,840
other artifacts but

1941
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:40,480
you've got to look how many 76 years

1942
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:41,840
have passed

1943
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:45,040
76 years if we could have gotten to this

1944
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:47,120
by the way these two boys did go to

1945
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,480
timothy good

1946
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:51,040
who did put it in his book and they did

1947
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:53,040
approach stanton friedman who wanted to

1948
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:55,120
put it in his grave file

1949
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:57,679
you know and so we you know it was

1950
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:59,040
destiny i figured

1951
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:01,840
jimmy it was destiny that jack and i did

1952
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:03,760
this because i think this is a gift to

1953
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:04,800
the world

1954
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:07,600
well it reminds me a lot of the

1955
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:09,679
beginning of roswell

1956
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:12,480
right where you've that's it everything

1957
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:13,840
is in front of us

1958
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:17,360
to go and research and investigate

1959
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,520
like jacques said we are right at the

1960
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:20,880
beginning of this

1961
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:23,679
and i find it all very very exciting but

1962
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:24,400
there is

1963
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:31,520
other debris to test

1964
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:35,520
um are is without getting into specific

1965
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:36,239
shock

1966
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:37,840
but do you think that this debris is

1967
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:40,080
from the craft or is this

1968
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:43,520
from the recovery and maybe you know

1969
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:46,639
us government issued so

1970
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:49,760
um that that's a great question because

1971
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:50,880
i've encountered that

1972
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:54,239
in in another site you know that i

1973
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:58,239
where i've gone um and where we've

1974
01:25:01,510 --> 01:25:01,040
done a dig and we've recovered things

1975
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,520
and

1976
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,280
we're still asking ourselves the same

1977
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:04,960
question because we know

1978
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:08,080
the army came in and they sort of salted

1979
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:12,000
the entire area with old cans and

1980
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:15,120
all things of metal some of which

1981
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:17,840
obviously from old aircraft and so on

1982
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:19,840
over the thing so that if you go there

1983
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:20,560
with a

1984
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:23,679
metal detector you're going to recover

1985
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:27,600
you know very very precious collectible

1986
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:31,600
uh beer cans from 1945

1987
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:34,639
but uh 1947.

1988
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:36,880
so we're not terribly interested in that

1989
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:39,199
we want things that are authentic and

1990
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:42,639
you know it takes time to investigate

1991
01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:45,360
everything you're you're looking at but

1992
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:46,719
you know that's what um

1993
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:48,719
what paula describes is exactly what

1994
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:50,000
happened i mean that's

1995
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,880
what what you always do when the ufo

1996
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:54,000
crashes you know

1997
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:55,920
you go there and you get the fibers and

1998
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:58,080
you use them to decorate your christmas

1999
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:58,800
tree

2000
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:01,920
right i mean that's normal uh and the

2001
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:02,880
kids thought

2002
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,239
you know this stuff glows in the dark

2003
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,400
and uh you know it's very interesting

2004
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:10,159
we're going to play with it

2005
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,280
except that sabrina taught us that

2006
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:15,440
you know if you find any of that you

2007
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:17,520
really shouldn't play with it

2008
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:20,000
because it will cut your hand now it

2009
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:21,040
will cut your hand

2010
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:24,000
in a strange way because it's not going

2011
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:25,360
to bleed

2012
01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:29,440
which means it still has a kind of

2013
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:32,480
energy or a kind of physical property

2014
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:36,320
that triggers some of these you know

2015
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:39,679
sensitive nerves inside you know below

2016
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,040
your skin

2017
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:43,760
without punching the skin and she said

2018
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:44,159
she

2019
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:46,159
really didn't want to play with it very

2020
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:48,000
long because it

2021
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:51,120
it hurt and it was it was dangerous

2022
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:54,159
so we're going through and uh you know

2023
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:55,520
sabrina

2024
01:27:03,750 --> 01:26:59,360
turned out to be an extraordinarily

2025
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:03,760
clear witness she could recall things

2026
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:04,560
just in a

2027
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:07,520
literal way without interpretation and

2028
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:08,800
that's what we

2029
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:10,880
what we want you know she was eight

2030
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:12,960
years old at the time when she

2031
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:15,520
got to the site she can describe what

2032
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:16,560
happened

2033
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:19,760
after the the army had gone the object

2034
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:20,639
had been

2035
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,840
moved away but they were still there was

2036
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:25,760
still stuff and there was still

2037
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:28,400
you know changes in the landscape that

2038
01:27:32,950 --> 01:27:29,120
were just

2039
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:32,960
very interesting now did you say

2040
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:37,040
that uh jose and his dad or maybe it was

2041
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:37,840
remy

2042
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:40,400
um and is that that they went on board

2043
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:42,800
this craft

2044
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:47,040
yes faustino who was jose's father

2045
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:48,960
i mean the kids went home and they told

2046
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,400
the story to their father

2047
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:52,480
right and the father said well you know

2048
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:54,080
it's a little excited

2049
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:57,360
it may be something the army has got

2050
01:28:01,270 --> 01:28:00,400
maybe some prototype that fell you know

2051
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:01,280
we should uh

2052
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:04,639
so he called a uh

2053
01:28:08,310 --> 01:28:07,520
you know right away he that that same

2054
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:08,320
evening

2055
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:12,719
he called um a um

2056
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:16,480
a policeman you know a local police guy

2057
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:19,679
and the next day they drove

2058
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:22,080
with the kids uh the kids were driving

2059
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:23,040
the truck

2060
01:28:28,229 --> 01:28:25,679
behind the car and they went and the

2061
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:28,239
father went in the police car

2062
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:31,199
with the with the policeman the the

2063
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:32,320
father

2064
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,080
told the kids to stay away and the

2065
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:38,239
the the two of them you know the the

2066
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:39,760
father and the policeman

2067
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:43,120
went inside that object now i should

2068
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:45,280
talk about a little bit but how did they

2069
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:47,360
do that jacques i've only got one minute

2070
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:48,400
before the break

2071
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:51,440
how did they do that with the army

2072
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:55,199
the the object hit a communication tower

2073
01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:59,040
and it damaged it and the the the object

2074
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:01,520
was damaged and one of the panels

2075
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:04,080
uh exploded and the army wasn't there

2076
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:06,159
jimmy the army wasn't there

2077
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,629
the landscape and then the thing came

2078
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:20,400
down and came to rest

2079
01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:23,360
where you know where the the father was

2080
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:24,639
able to go inside

2081
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:28,080
be there for that period of time okay so

2082
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:30,159
that's what's interesting because uh

2083
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:32,320
some i've got to head to a break

2084
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:34,080
some of the comments were how how were

2085
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:35,520
they able to do that

2086
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:38,159
when the army was there but so the

2087
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:38,800
father

2088
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:40,880
and the kids went out with the police

2089
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:42,159
before the army

2090
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:44,080
arrived and that's when they were able

2091
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,600
to board the craft

2092
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:47,520
and we we should give a little bit of

2093
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:48,960
detail about that sure

2094
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,400
yeah we'll do that when we come back

2095
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:52,560
after this short break i am your host

2096
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:54,000
jimmy church our guest tonight paula

2097
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,560
harris

2098
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:56,880
jacques valet talking about their new

2099
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:59,199
book it's about to be released

2100
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:00,719
and the release date right now is

2101
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,560
tentative uh for

2102
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,560
june 1st i'll be right back after this

2103
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:06,400
short break this is fade to black stay

2104
01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:26,950
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2105
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,080
you're listening to fade to black

2106
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:31,920
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2108
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:53,990
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2109
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not of course you do

2110
01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:58,000
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2111
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:00,840
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2112
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2113
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2114
01:31:08,590 --> 01:31:08,080
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2115
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2116
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2123
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2124
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2125
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2126
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2137
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2138
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2139
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2140
01:32:13,030 --> 01:32:11,360
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2141
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:13,040
and where we're headed do you wonder

2142
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:14,719
about the food supply

2143
01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:17,360
i do disruptions in the food supply

2144
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2145
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2146
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2147
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2148
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2149
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2186
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2192
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:56,239
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2193
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:56,880
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2194
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:59,600
and paula harris more with jacques and

2195
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2210
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:31,840
harris now

2211
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:35,920
um okay again so much to discuss

2212
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:37,600
the army didn't get there for a couple

2213
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:40,159
of days uh the craft sat there

2214
01:35:46,629 --> 01:35:44,159
kids saw it now the police arrive uh the

2215
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:46,639
the dad is there they board the craft

2216
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:47,520
the question

2217
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:50,080
i have first thing out of the gate who's

2218
01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:51,760
flying the craft

2219
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:55,119
jacques were their bodies what was what

2220
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:01,910
so um the

2221
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:05,440
the the kids were

2222
01:36:09,430 --> 01:36:08,400
scared because you know that that thing

2223
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:09,440
was impressive

2224
01:36:17,030 --> 01:36:12,719
it came and it tore the landscape apart

2225
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:17,040
it had hit the tower and there was some

2226
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:20,320
fire not much fire but the bushes the

2227
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:23,040
the rock called crazy and cactus bushes

2228
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:24,159
were were

2229
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:27,600
burning there was smoke they had trouble

2230
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:30,239
seeing exactly what it was they

2231
01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:31,600
approached it

2232
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:34,719
and then they they came within 200 feet

2233
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:35,840
of it

2234
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:37,840
they there was an opening again the

2235
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:39,679
thing didn't crash

2236
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:42,159
like roswell that well there was debris

2237
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:43,199
all over the place

2238
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:46,320
there was really no debris field the

2239
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:49,600
the object was very very strong it kept

2240
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:51,040
its integrity

2241
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:53,199
and by the way again it was under power

2242
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:56,000
when it plowed through the landscape

2243
01:37:01,350 --> 01:36:58,960
which means you know again it's

2244
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:01,360
extremely interesting to know

2245
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:03,440
all the all the details there there was

2246
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:04,560
an opening

2247
01:37:10,470 --> 01:37:08,000
where that panel had been ejected

2248
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:10,480
when it hit the tower which is where the

2249
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:12,400
fiber optics so-called

2250
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:15,679
uh you know uh came from

2251
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:18,960
or the angel hair the

2252
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:22,000
through that opening when everything

2253
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:23,360
cleared up

2254
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:26,000
the two kids and again this was the you

2255
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:28,000
know the evening now

2256
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:31,040
could see three creatures

2257
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:34,400
inside and this is where

2258
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:37,920
the transcripts that paula have done

2259
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:39,520
you know very paralyzed and

2260
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:41,520
extraordinary interviewer

2261
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:44,320
she's which is why i i didn't interview

2262
01:37:47,910 --> 01:37:45,360
any of the

2263
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:47,920
of the witnesses paulette did all of

2264
01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:48,560
that and

2265
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:51,280
with you know incredible detail and

2266
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:52,320
skill

2267
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:55,360
getting them to repeat to be precise in

2268
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:56,560
what they said

2269
01:38:01,030 --> 01:38:00,000
so we had all of that and i i worked on

2270
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:01,040
it

2271
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:05,840
but also

2272
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:09,040
to look at contradictions to look at

2273
01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:11,679
tenses that and there are some times

2274
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:12,719
when

2275
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:15,679
the witnesses obviously are brought back

2276
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:17,760
intensely to that time

2277
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:20,080
when they were you know nine and seven

2278
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:21,440
and they relive it and

2279
01:38:25,990 --> 01:38:23,199
when they release it they go from the

2280
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:26,000
past to the present tense

2281
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:29,119
they say oh i saw that and you know i

2282
01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:32,000
got my horse and i went there and i see

2283
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:32,719
this

2284
01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:38,400
and they looked at us and and they you

2285
01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:38,960
know so

2286
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:41,600
you you have these changes of tents that

2287
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,400
are very

2288
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:44,480
very interesting along the way where

2289
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,520
they are

2290
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:48,239
again it comes back vividly to their you

2291
01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:49,679
know to their brain

2292
01:38:54,390 --> 01:38:52,639
and so we were able to go step by step

2293
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:54,400
through them

2294
01:39:02,070 --> 01:38:57,760
they change sometimes they say the men

2295
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:02,080
inside sometimes they say the creatures

2296
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:05,600
and it's not clear so we we spent a lot

2297
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:06,880
of time trying to

2298
01:39:14,229 --> 01:39:10,560
pin especially especially mr padilla

2299
01:39:17,189 --> 01:39:14,239
to pin him down on exactly you know

2300
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:17,199
were they humanoids were they they were

2301
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:18,080
short

2302
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:20,639
they were the size of the kids they were

2303
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:26,950
let me jump in jacques let me let me

2304
01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:28,800
shift over to paul on this

2305
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:32,560
paula uh three beings

2306
01:39:38,830 --> 01:39:35,679
and and jack just said they

2307
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:38,840
looked at the kids so were they still

2308
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:40,080
alive

2309
01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:42,400
yes they were what had happened is the

2310
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,679
kids were pretty close

2311
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:45,600
i mean their eyes were burning because

2312
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:46,800
of the mesquite

2313
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:50,320
and they used binoculars in the what

2314
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:53,520
jose says was they were sashaying

2315
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:55,440
which kind of means floating back and

2316
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:57,040
forth and

2317
01:40:01,030 --> 01:40:00,239
they were making sounds uh sounds he

2318
01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:01,040
said

2319
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:04,239
high pitch sounds like a baby crying or

2320
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:06,320
he said a rabbit when you shoot it he

2321
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:07,679
said and he thought

2322
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,159
jose said i thought they were hurt and

2323
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:12,239
he said i want to go in and help him

2324
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:14,400
and then he said he today he says well

2325
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,600
if i'd gone in there

2326
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:17,760
you probably wouldn't be talking to me

2327
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:18,960
today he said but

2328
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:21,520
he really want to go and help them but

2329
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:23,679
then remy who was six years old started

2330
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:24,800
to cry

2331
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:27,119
and he he was crying and he wanted to go

2332
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:28,239
home so

2333
01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:30,320
they they were there for a long time i

2334
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:31,760
don't know in the book

2335
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:35,040
it's more precise that over an hour

2336
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,760
and they were looking at each other and

2337
01:40:42,629 --> 01:40:38,880
what's interesting

2338
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:42,639
is that when i went to interview eremi

2339
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:46,639
he said that in his head he got a vision

2340
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:50,960
of people falling out of skyscrapers

2341
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,960
and you gotta understand at fixtures

2342
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:54,880
only never saw a skyscraper he didn't

2343
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:57,199
even know what a skyscraper was

2344
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,800
and remy's remy's testimony thank god i

2345
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:02,639
got it and i'm gonna add something

2346
01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:04,880
because this is part of my life

2347
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,840
the only people that were able to film

2348
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:10,080
remy were people that i sent from swiss

2349
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:11,360
television

2350
01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:13,440
in high definition they had gone there

2351
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:14,800
and they filmed him

2352
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:16,159
and i had to go all the way to

2353
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,080
switzerland uh go

2354
01:41:21,510 --> 01:41:20,480
past george clooney's house on lake como

2355
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:21,520
in a train

2356
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:24,480
to retrieve that film footage so that we

2357
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:25,280
would have an

2358
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:28,480
accurate accurate representation

2359
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:30,719
of what he said and this is part of my

2360
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,880
job jumping on a train

2361
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:34,719
from italy to switzerland getting the

2362
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:35,920
footage coming back

2363
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:39,280
so we have not only the testimony

2364
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:41,520
we have film footage of these children

2365
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:43,840
because we don't want to lose any more

2366
01:41:49,990 --> 01:41:46,960
we don't want to lose any more testimony

2367
01:41:50,470 --> 01:41:50,000
uh here and yes there were creatures in

2368
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:50,480
in

2369
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:54,800
him

2370
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:57,760
like a visual picture now uh so when

2371
01:42:03,109 --> 01:41:58,880
they went back with

2372
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:03,119
uh with the police and and the father

2373
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:06,159
and boarded the craft were the creatures

2374
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:09,440
there did the father also see though

2375
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:11,600
no no that there was nothing there okay

2376
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:12,719
so no they

2377
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:16,000
no no no there was nobody there were no

2378
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:17,920
you know dead bodies or anything it was

2379
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:21,040
a moment in time it was a moment in time

2380
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,960
when the the children looked at the

2381
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:24,480
creatures and the creatures looked at

2382
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:25,280
the children

2383
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:27,440
and jose to this day will tell you that

2384
01:42:31,109 --> 01:42:28,960
the high-pitched sound he

2385
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:31,119
he thought they were hurt he interpreted

2386
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:32,239
it as they were hurt

2387
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:35,199
anyone to go help him right okay so just

2388
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:36,480
for clarification

2389
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:40,560
only the children saw the

2390
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:43,760
uh the creatures uh from the craft

2391
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:47,119
the the adults the the police and the

2392
01:42:49,669 --> 01:42:48,880
father when they got there the creatures

2393
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:49,679
were gone

2394
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:54,000
course we don't know

2395
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:56,800
we don't know all the details of that uh

2396
01:43:01,669 --> 01:42:59,360
you know we i have no idea uh

2397
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:01,679
but the fact that these two children did

2398
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:02,719
see

2399
01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:05,440
beings and i have no idea jacques and i

2400
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:06,400
don't want to even

2401
01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:09,520
surmise what that's about uh you know is

2402
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:11,360
very important to the case

2403
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:13,920
well it is and well the other part about

2404
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:15,199
this paul is when the

2405
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:17,520
army gets there a couple of days later a

2406
01:43:23,669 --> 01:43:19,199
few days later

2407
01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:23,679
they didn't retrieve anybody's nope

2408
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:30,709
yeah as far as we know yeah all the

2409
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:32,639
bodies weren't bodies they were alive

2410
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:35,840
so yeah they didn't really

2411
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:38,560
yeah so we have no idea what all

2412
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:39,119
happened

2413
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:42,320
in between time and uh

2414
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:44,800
though the same boys that were working

2415
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:47,280
on the manhattan project the same boys

2416
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:49,920
that were in the owl bar and cafe were

2417
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:52,000
it were assigned to the

2418
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:54,000
retrieval so the when the boys were

2419
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:55,199
watching this

2420
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:58,480
they saw these young guys playing uh

2421
01:44:02,550 --> 01:44:01,440
country western music uh from their jeep

2422
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:02,560
radios

2423
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:05,360
trying to you know pick up debris you

2424
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:05,679
know

2425
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:08,080
because there hadn't been anything they

2426
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:09,760
i think there hadn't been anything

2427
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:10,960
before that

2428
01:44:18,070 --> 01:44:14,320
now jacques um am i

2429
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:18,080
to understand that three

2430
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:23,040
alien beings were walking

2431
01:44:28,790 --> 01:44:26,320
in new mexico right so we don't

2432
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:28,800
know how alien they were because they

2433
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:30,560
certainly

2434
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:32,800
sometimes again the kids talk about them

2435
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:33,600
as men

2436
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:36,639
right little men they sort of identify

2437
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:37,840
with them

2438
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:39,920
remember we have to be careful because

2439
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:42,320
there is a psychic component here

2440
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:44,639
and i know it's a loaded word for your

2441
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:45,760
audience

2442
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:49,360
but um you know we

2443
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:53,040
we have to include the psychic

2444
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:54,000
impressions the

2445
01:44:57,750 --> 01:44:56,239
images that come into the mind of the

2446
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:57,760
kids the fact that

2447
01:45:03,990 --> 01:45:01,119
what the kids describe makes no sense

2448
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:04,000
they they lost their sense of time they

2449
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:05,760
think they've been there

2450
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:08,400
you know watching this and they describe

2451
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:09,760
it to us and

2452
01:45:13,189 --> 01:45:11,840
but you know an hour and a half has

2453
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:13,199
passed

2454
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:15,840
can you can you imagine keeping a

2455
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:17,119
nine-year-old and a

2456
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:20,320
seven-year-old quiet for an hour and a

2457
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:21,119
half

2458
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:24,000
looking through binoculars what else was

2459
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:25,040
going on

2460
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:28,480
what and they describe when you

2461
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:31,600
when you ask jose

2462
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:35,119
you know there was clearly a feeling

2463
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:38,320
on his part that there was transmission

2464
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:40,719
of something there was there was

2465
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:41,679
communication

2466
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:46,159
at a subliminal or at a psychic level

2467
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:49,679
with him he felt you know the

2468
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:53,440
he felt anxious he felt scared

2469
01:46:00,470 --> 01:45:57,360
he felt their their fear

2470
01:46:03,669 --> 01:46:00,480
and they were distraught

2471
01:46:04,149 --> 01:46:03,679
they seemed to be hurt although they

2472
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:04,159
were

2473
01:46:08,709 --> 01:46:06,960
able to move around they didn't move

2474
01:46:11,750 --> 01:46:08,719
around by walking

2475
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:11,760
they sort of translated themselves you

2476
01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:12,080
know

2477
01:46:20,390 --> 01:46:17,119
across that opening sort of randomly

2478
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:20,400
the there are lots of of things that we

2479
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:22,480
need to continue to

2480
01:46:28,149 --> 01:46:25,600
to probe i i know that in

2481
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:28,159
it's very fashionable to just hypnotize

2482
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:29,360
people randomly

2483
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:31,679
you know and you get something that and

2484
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:33,360
and you know you go

2485
01:46:37,270 --> 01:46:36,000
write another book about that we didn't

2486
01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:37,280
want to do that

2487
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:41,199
we i i have personally strong

2488
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:45,360
you know um impressions

2489
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:48,560
that a lot of that rich so-called

2490
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:49,440
retrieval

2491
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:53,199
of information under hypnosis is pure

2492
01:46:59,910 --> 01:46:56,800
garbage unless it's done under

2493
01:47:03,030 --> 01:46:59,920
very special regulated conditions but

2494
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:03,040
you don't do that to a

2495
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:05,600
you know an 85 year old man who is going

2496
01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:07,040
to be in trauma

2497
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:10,239
if you bring him under under that that

2498
01:47:15,030 --> 01:47:11,280
kind of condition

2499
01:47:17,669 --> 01:47:15,040
so but there are other ways that we can

2500
01:47:18,149 --> 01:47:17,679
help recall that information and then

2501
01:47:21,510 --> 01:47:18,159
again

2502
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:21,520
put it in the perspective of other cases

2503
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:25,679
like that in many ways it reinforces

2504
01:47:30,550 --> 01:47:28,480
what we've learned later from roswell

2505
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:30,560
and from other cases where creatures

2506
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:31,520
have been seen

2507
01:47:37,990 --> 01:47:34,960
and the book goes into that but again

2508
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:38,000
let's stick with the case itself

2509
01:47:43,990 --> 01:47:41,840
the we have another

2510
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:44,000
so sabrina we need to get to talk about

2511
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:44,880
sabrina yes

2512
01:47:48,550 --> 01:47:47,760
so it's so rich and power i should talk

2513
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:48,560
about that

2514
01:47:51,910 --> 01:47:49,840
but we have another way of

2515
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:51,920
cross-indexing all of that

2516
01:47:58,390 --> 01:47:55,199
over what the kids are testifying

2517
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:58,400
because there was a pilot who

2518
01:48:02,390 --> 01:48:01,760
was asked on his way in to uh white

2519
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:02,400
sands

2520
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:05,440
who was going for an ending a very

2521
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:06,560
experienced

2522
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:09,840
war you know war pilot again in those

2523
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:10,480
days

2524
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:12,800
it was this was the army air force there

2525
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:15,360
was no u.s air force yet okay

2526
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:17,360
so he was attached to the army was an

2527
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:18,560
army pilot

2528
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:21,280
he was told to look at this tower

2529
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:21,840
because

2530
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:24,639
they had lost a communication tower and

2531
01:48:28,629 --> 01:48:25,119
so

2532
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:28,639
he he investigated the tower and then he

2533
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:32,080
he saw the object that had crashed that

2534
01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:32,400
had

2535
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:35,360
crash landed should we say and he saw

2536
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:36,239
the two little

2537
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:39,679
kids and he reported that to um

2538
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:42,080
to the army air force and then he went

2539
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:43,280
in for a landing

2540
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:47,040
he may have taken over the site the next

2541
01:48:50,310 --> 01:48:48,080
day because

2542
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:50,320
before they could assign someone so

2543
01:48:54,790 --> 01:48:51,679
there was a change

2544
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:54,800
of officers who were asked to take over

2545
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:55,760
the site

2546
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:58,159
and until the the army guys could take

2547
01:49:02,310 --> 01:48:59,199
over

2548
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:02,320
they apparently ask this

2549
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:04,960
senior you know pilot from the army air

2550
01:49:08,709 --> 01:49:05,679
force

2551
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:08,719
to go there he may have retrieved

2552
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:12,560
the creatures or they may have

2553
01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:15,440
found some way to escape the site anyway

2554
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:17,599
by the time the kids came back the day

2555
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:18,960
after that

2556
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:20,880
you know after there was one day when

2557
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:22,000
they were not there

2558
01:49:25,510 --> 01:49:24,159
the following day when they could go

2559
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:25,520
back to the site

2560
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:28,560
the uh the creatures were not there now

2561
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:32,239
uh this information about the pilot

2562
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:36,159
uh what he saw and and so forth

2563
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:38,719
is this from a paper trail where does

2564
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:39,199
this

2565
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:43,280
come from uh it comes from the testimony

2566
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:44,480
of the pilot's

2567
01:49:51,109 --> 01:49:47,840
son and

2568
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:51,119
and uh it's also there is also a report

2569
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:52,560
there is also a

2570
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:56,159
paper trail that's that's one of the

2571
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:57,280
things

2572
01:50:01,430 --> 01:50:00,080
that when especially when we have a case

2573
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:01,440
like this that is

2574
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:03,440
that is fresh and new we need all of the

2575
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:05,119
elements right do we have witnesses do

2576
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:06,400
we have debris

2577
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:10,639
do we have a paper trail what kind of uh

2578
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:13,280
uh paper trail uh are we in possession

2579
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:16,400
of is there a lot of it out there

2580
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:20,080
um i can answer a little bit of this

2581
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:24,320
uh because when i went up to gig harbor

2582
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:25,360
washington

2583
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:28,719
uh remy baca talked to me about the fact

2584
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:30,719
that he worked for the

2585
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:32,880
uh the governor of washington at that

2586
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:35,040
time helped get her elected her name was

2587
01:50:41,109 --> 01:50:36,400
dixie lee

2588
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:41,119
know she was involved with the atomic

2589
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:42,880
energy commission

2590
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:46,159
and she had told jeremy you know she was

2591
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:47,280
grateful that he helped

2592
01:50:51,589 --> 01:50:50,080
elect her that that that case was in the

2593
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:51,599
atomic energy commission

2594
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:55,119
files so what i'm thinking in in he said

2595
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:56,800
you know she actually

2596
01:51:01,990 --> 01:51:00,159
uh told me this so then we get confused

2597
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:02,000
because we think that all the crashes

2598
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,000
went to the air force files

2599
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:06,480
and that the that you know blue book and

2600
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:07,760
all those

2601
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:11,280
uh uh files have you know all of the

2602
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:12,239
information but

2603
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:15,360
we didn't realize that it could be

2604
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:17,199
that there are files and jack and i

2605
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:18,560
talked about this

2606
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:21,040
because it was you know the atom bomb

2607
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:22,960
and it was top secret

2608
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:26,159
and i'm sure that if those

2609
01:51:29,669 --> 01:51:28,000
uh you know young guys that were

2610
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:29,679
cleaning it up or going to the

2611
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:32,639
owl barn cafe in oppenheimer and the

2612
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:34,639
scientists were lodged in the

2613
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:38,000
in the uh in those little cabins behind

2614
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:39,920
the owl barn cafe

2615
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:41,599
you think they didn't know there was a

2616
01:51:45,589 --> 01:51:43,760
crash of course they did

2617
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:45,599
and and they knew all about what had

2618
01:51:50,070 --> 01:51:47,119
happened and so

2619
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:50,080
i think that any of the paperwork would

2620
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:50,400
be

2621
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:53,440
probably around that you know

2622
01:51:58,790 --> 01:51:56,639
about the the secrecy of the around the

2623
01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:58,800
atomic bomb i mean it was connected to

2624
01:52:02,870 --> 01:51:59,360
that

2625
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:02,880
and and why the book is so amazing

2626
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:05,280
is that a third of the book jacques goes

2627
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:06,400
into details

2628
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:09,280
about the atmosphere what was going on

2629
01:52:14,709 --> 01:52:10,639
who was there

2630
01:52:15,189 --> 01:52:14,719
uh and and how the military reacted

2631
01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:15,199
because

2632
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:18,080
it was about the bomb it was it was it

2633
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:18,480
was

2634
01:52:21,589 --> 01:52:20,880
almost if people read the book they'll

2635
01:52:24,870 --> 01:52:21,599
realize

2636
01:52:26,550 --> 01:52:24,880
the correlation to the uh i mean these

2637
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:26,560
things weren't on vacation and they

2638
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:27,920
crashed

2639
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:31,199
you know and whatever i mean this was

2640
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:34,800
some kind of reaction to a very

2641
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:35,920
important world

2642
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:39,840
event that was witnessed by two boys and

2643
01:52:43,750 --> 01:52:41,920
then i always tease jacques i say

2644
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:43,760
jack do you know that i think those

2645
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:45,440
those beings knew we were going to write

2646
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:46,239
a book

2647
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:48,880
76 years later i think they knew we were

2648
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:50,239
going to write this book

2649
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:52,239
and about this because there is a

2650
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:53,679
statement there

2651
01:52:56,950 --> 01:52:55,920
this isn't just you know an ordinary

2652
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:56,960
crash

2653
01:53:00,070 --> 01:52:59,679
uh there's a statement one month later

2654
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:00,080
uh

2655
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:03,760
in in you know 20 miles away

2656
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:06,880
now the description

2657
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:09,199
of the craft which we didn't get into so

2658
01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:11,760
let's let's talk about that for a second

2659
01:53:19,310 --> 01:53:15,119
i found very interesting um

2660
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:19,320
the the words that i have seen uh

2661
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:21,840
avocado-shaped is that is that an

2662
01:53:27,189 --> 01:53:22,560
accurate

2663
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:27,199
description

2664
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:31,599
and um it's a shape that

2665
01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:34,880
it's almost like a response to some of

2666
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:36,080
the

2667
01:53:42,790 --> 01:53:41,280
oppenheimer and his team had been

2668
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:42,800
developing

2669
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:46,159
the kids measured it remember those kids

2670
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:46,960
were

2671
01:53:50,470 --> 01:53:49,360
actually running a ranch for their

2672
01:53:53,189 --> 01:53:50,480
fathers so

2673
01:53:54,629 --> 01:53:53,199
not only were they very good with you

2674
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:54,639
know with binoculars

2675
01:53:57,669 --> 01:53:56,480
but they knew how to measure things they

2676
01:54:00,790 --> 01:53:57,679
knew how to

2677
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:00,800
account for things they

2678
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:03,760
the the object was about between 20 and

2679
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:04,480
30 feet

2680
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:08,239
long and inside when um

2681
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:11,599
mr padilla who is still alive um

2682
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:15,280
went inside he said the

2683
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:18,960
the floor was flat and the ceiling

2684
01:54:26,470 --> 01:54:22,480
the the the bent the round ceiling

2685
01:54:30,149 --> 01:54:26,480
was about 13 feet above him

2686
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:30,159
so you you have if you if you draw the

2687
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:31,440
the shape

2688
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:33,440
you you end up with actually another

2689
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:36,159
calories a very good description

2690
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:39,199
but there was under the floor

2691
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:42,239
there was another three feet or so

2692
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:45,199
of space where we don't know what was

2693
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:45,760
there

2694
01:54:53,350 --> 01:54:50,480
when the the army took it out

2695
01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:53,360
it they took it out on the side because

2696
01:54:57,510 --> 01:54:54,480
it was too

2697
01:54:58,950 --> 01:54:57,520
too tall to go under the overpass on on

2698
01:55:02,629 --> 01:54:58,960
the expressway

2699
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:02,639
on the uh so they

2700
01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:06,480
had a look at the at the underside of

2701
01:55:09,430 --> 01:55:07,119
the object

2702
01:55:11,350 --> 01:55:09,440
there was no opening there there were

2703
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:11,360
some structures

2704
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:14,639
but there was no opening there was no no

2705
01:55:17,990 --> 01:55:17,360
jet there was no turbine there was no

2706
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:18,000
propeller

2707
01:55:22,149 --> 01:55:20,639
there was none of that so whatever

2708
01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:22,159
machinery would have been

2709
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:25,520
contained you know in those three feet

2710
01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:28,000
under the floor and obviously that's one

2711
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:29,119
of the things that

2712
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:32,639
you know we have to think about in terms

2713
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:33,760
of physics

2714
01:55:40,149 --> 01:55:37,360
there was a small bubble on top a glass

2715
01:55:41,189 --> 01:55:40,159
or little transparent bubble that was

2716
01:55:44,709 --> 01:55:41,199
small

2717
01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:44,719
off-site you know off-center um

2718
01:55:49,589 --> 01:55:47,920
on the the back what they consider the

2719
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:49,599
back of the object

2720
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:54,000
now that's very interesting because the

2721
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:55,920
you'll see in the book when we look for

2722
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:57,280
patterns

2723
01:56:03,430 --> 01:56:00,480
there is no flying salsa in the book

2724
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,440
there is no disc there is no flying

2725
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:04,639
saucer

2726
01:56:10,149 --> 01:56:08,560
it's all we and we put it in the context

2727
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:10,159
of other cases

2728
01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:13,599
that are well researched well documented

2729
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:16,480
where we give all the references there

2730
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:18,400
are 55 references in

2731
01:56:26,149 --> 01:56:22,159
at the end of the book and

2732
01:56:29,430 --> 01:56:26,159
the they they have to do with overread

2733
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:29,440
objects where the propulsion system is

2734
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:32,320
certainly not anything we can do right

2735
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:32,800
right

2736
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:35,760
there anything we can reconcile with you

2737
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:36,480
know

2738
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:39,679
certainly uh obvious physics and

2739
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:42,800
the creatures also similar

2740
01:56:46,229 --> 01:56:45,840
to what they describe you know large

2741
01:56:54,149 --> 01:56:46,239
head

2742
01:56:57,589 --> 01:56:54,159
but the they breathe our air

2743
01:57:01,350 --> 01:56:57,599
there is no you know no space suit

2744
01:57:02,470 --> 01:57:01,360
they have a tight-fitting suit over

2745
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:02,480
their body the

2746
01:57:10,229 --> 01:57:05,840
the arms are low there are you know

2747
01:57:12,310 --> 01:57:10,239
four fingers and uh there are some

2748
01:57:14,870 --> 01:57:12,320
discrepancies between the descriptions

2749
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:14,880
of course well that's what you expect

2750
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:17,440
but they they fit a pattern that we've

2751
01:57:22,830 --> 01:57:18,880
gotten to know

2752
01:57:26,390 --> 01:57:22,840
uh you know in in other cases that are

2753
01:57:29,189 --> 01:57:26,400
impeccable and impeccably researched

2754
01:57:29,910 --> 01:57:29,199
that we put side by side with this case

2755
01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:29,920
so

2756
01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:33,199
we we have a really fascinating pattern

2757
01:57:37,109 --> 01:57:36,000
yeah let me let me jump in before the

2758
01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:37,119
break here

2759
01:57:42,709 --> 01:57:40,400
uh you have investigated a lot of cases

2760
01:57:46,629 --> 01:57:42,719
paul is so of you so have i

2761
01:57:50,310 --> 01:57:46,639
does this description of this craft

2762
01:57:53,589 --> 01:57:50,320
fit anything that you know of does it

2763
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:53,599
remind you of another case

2764
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:56,080
well not only that but we know exactly

2765
01:58:01,350 --> 01:57:57,440
what cases they are

2766
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:01,360
remember i i'm the database guy here and

2767
01:58:07,430 --> 01:58:05,040
you know the the patterns are obvious

2768
01:58:09,030 --> 01:58:07,440
with the case in france that i know very

2769
01:58:10,470 --> 01:58:09,040
well that i've researched called

2770
01:58:13,350 --> 01:58:10,480
valencia

2771
01:58:14,229 --> 01:58:13,360
and a case you may have heard of eight

2772
01:58:17,270 --> 01:58:14,239
miles

2773
01:58:19,109 --> 01:58:17,280
straight north of there called socorro

2774
01:58:20,709 --> 01:58:19,119
of course i knew that's where you were

2775
01:58:24,629 --> 01:58:20,719
going what what about

2776
01:58:27,109 --> 01:58:24,639
okay uh let's talk i've got one minute

2777
01:58:27,990 --> 01:58:27,119
i've got one published before i've got

2778
01:58:30,550 --> 01:58:28,000
one minute

2779
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:30,560
jacques before the break what was the

2780
01:58:34,790 --> 01:58:31,280
color

2781
01:58:38,709 --> 01:58:34,800
of this craft it was

2782
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:38,719
a sort of a dark gray

2783
01:58:45,910 --> 01:58:42,400
were there any symbols no

2784
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:45,920
no symbols no markings no um

2785
01:58:51,030 --> 01:58:49,040
but the the shape of the craft

2786
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:51,040
of course the location right so corals

2787
01:58:55,430 --> 01:58:52,560
right there

2788
01:58:56,709 --> 01:58:55,440
um the socorro description i've always

2789
01:59:00,350 --> 01:58:56,719
found interesting you know

2790
01:59:03,270 --> 01:59:00,360
egg-shaped this craft is

2791
01:59:06,629 --> 01:59:03,280
avocado-shaped but depending on

2792
01:59:10,149 --> 01:59:06,639
memories or things the shape is similar

2793
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:10,159
it's not a saucer it's not a disc

2794
01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:12,800
no right right paulo do you find that

2795
01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:14,400
interesting

2796
01:59:20,310 --> 01:59:18,480
many reasons

2797
01:59:23,030 --> 01:59:20,320
people have to read the book to see the

2798
01:59:26,390 --> 01:59:23,040
designs because it does correlate

2799
01:59:27,830 --> 01:59:26,400
to the trinity uh situation with the

2800
01:59:31,109 --> 01:59:27,840
atomic bomb

2801
01:59:34,390 --> 01:59:31,119
and the correlation between the timing

2802
01:59:36,070 --> 01:59:34,400
what happened who were the witnesses

2803
01:59:38,149 --> 01:59:36,080
you know i'm going to say it again i

2804
01:59:42,470 --> 01:59:38,159
think there's a direct message

2805
01:59:45,990 --> 01:59:42,480
there let's take our break oh yeah

2806
01:59:49,589 --> 01:59:46,000
he told me he would listen to the show

2807
01:59:52,629 --> 01:59:49,599
and we went to the site together

2808
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:52,639
he has met

2809
02:00:00,870 --> 01:59:56,960
both sabrina and jose mr padilla

2810
02:00:03,589 --> 02:00:00,880
and uh we went to so-called together

2811
02:00:05,510 --> 02:00:03,599
the lonnie zamora had described an

2812
02:00:07,990 --> 02:00:05,520
object we know the weight

2813
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whether the weight in so-called was

2814
02:00:12,149 --> 02:00:09,520
eight tons

2815
02:00:13,510 --> 02:00:12,159
the estimated weight that you know the

2816
02:00:17,109 --> 02:00:13,520
best i could come with

2817
02:00:20,149 --> 02:00:17,119
come up with for the uh the object in

2818
02:00:21,750 --> 02:00:20,159
san antonio the padilla object was three

2819
02:00:24,149 --> 02:00:21,760
to five tons

2820
02:00:25,990 --> 02:00:24,159
and then in valencia the object was

2821
02:00:29,669 --> 02:00:26,000
about 13 feet it was

2822
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:29,679
a smaller um a smaller craft

2823
02:00:32,790 --> 02:00:32,560
but the shapes were the same essentially

2824
02:00:43,669 --> 02:00:32,800
an

2825
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let you guys know uh paul heineck just

2826
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texted me and said

2827
02:00:49,350 --> 02:00:47,520
this show was met his approval just let

2828
02:00:51,750 --> 02:00:49,360
you guys know

2829
02:00:53,669 --> 02:00:51,760
let's take our break take our break

2830
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right here this is fade to black i

2831
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am your host jimmy church i guess

2832
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tonight jacques vale and paula harris

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of course we are discussing their new

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stay with us we'll be right back with

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2930
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you want to know a secret i love

2931
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ponies i really love ponies i'm serious

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i couldn't stay sane without pulling

2933
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2934
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why fade to black because you never got

2935
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that pony

2936
02:05:36,310 --> 02:05:33,990
this is fade to black with jimmy church

2937
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:36,320
on the game changer radio network

2938
02:05:56,069 --> 02:05:54,629
welcome back fade to black i am your

2939
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:56,079
host jimmy church what a great night

2940
02:05:59,709 --> 02:05:57,280
tonight

2941
02:06:02,229 --> 02:05:59,719
i like it when i'm able to say

2942
02:06:04,390 --> 02:06:02,239
exclusively on fade to black

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02:06:05,750 --> 02:06:04,400
shock valet and balaras talking about

2944
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their new book trinity

2945
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the best kept secret and what is so

2946
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great uh

2947
02:06:14,709 --> 02:06:12,079
to the both of you is uh

2948
02:06:16,229 --> 02:06:14,719
i am learning right along with the

2949
02:06:18,709 --> 02:06:16,239
audience tonight uh

2950
02:06:19,510 --> 02:06:18,719
and i want to thank both of you uh for

2951
02:06:22,709 --> 02:06:19,520
taking the time

2952
02:06:24,310 --> 02:06:22,719
in and and getting this done uh for this

2953
02:06:27,669 --> 02:06:24,320
is so important

2954
02:06:28,550 --> 02:06:27,679
now uh really quick um jacques i

2955
02:06:30,470 --> 02:06:28,560
remember uh

2956
02:06:31,750 --> 02:06:30,480
last week you texted me you said jim

2957
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:31,760
it's not quite

2958
02:06:37,350 --> 02:06:34,400
ready i'm a perfectionist i need to make

2959
02:06:40,629 --> 02:06:37,360
sure that everything is done

2960
02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:40,639
are we looking at june 1st

2961
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:43,840
uh yes definitely okay june 1st apollo

2962
02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:44,960
where it is ready

2963
02:06:48,709 --> 02:06:47,920
uh but again i i want to check every

2964
02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:48,719
reference

2965
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:51,119
you know there are many moving parts in

2966
02:06:55,109 --> 02:06:52,800
in in this book no

2967
02:06:56,870 --> 02:06:55,119
you know no pun intended uh many moving

2968
02:07:00,229 --> 02:06:56,880
parts in a ufo

2969
02:07:01,510 --> 02:07:00,239
but but we i we wanted the the book to

2970
02:07:04,550 --> 02:07:01,520
have an index

2971
02:07:06,310 --> 02:07:04,560
an index of names and index of places

2972
02:07:08,069 --> 02:07:06,320
and to have all the references and the

2973
02:07:10,709 --> 02:07:08,079
figures checked and

2974
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:10,719
cross-checked so that people could use

2975
02:07:13,750 --> 02:07:11,119
it

2976
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:13,760
as a basis for research because again

2977
02:07:18,709 --> 02:07:14,320
we're

2978
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:18,719
this is a research report

2979
02:07:25,270 --> 02:07:21,679
and it's organized as a research report

2980
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:25,280
apollo where would the book be available

2981
02:07:32,229 --> 02:07:29,040
it's it's available on amazon um

2982
02:07:35,669 --> 02:07:32,239
under its name and it's in hardback

2983
02:07:39,270 --> 02:07:35,679
and in kindle version in ebook and

2984
02:07:42,310 --> 02:07:39,280
in paperback this is exciting and

2985
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:42,320
there is uh when we talk about something

2986
02:07:46,229 --> 02:07:43,040
that was

2987
02:07:49,589 --> 02:07:46,239
two years before roswell and just

2988
02:07:52,229 --> 02:07:49,599
when you think that you know everything

2989
02:07:55,510 --> 02:07:52,239
has been researched and done

2990
02:07:58,550 --> 02:07:55,520
here we have a crash retrieval

2991
02:08:00,470 --> 02:07:58,560
uh from 1945

2992
02:08:01,990 --> 02:08:00,480
there should be a lot of evidence out

2993
02:08:05,189 --> 02:08:02,000
there from the government

2994
02:08:08,470 --> 02:08:05,199
side but i wanted to ask you jacques

2995
02:08:08,950 --> 02:08:08,480
quite directly he said to me a few years

2996
02:08:12,709 --> 02:08:08,960
ago

2997
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:12,719
on the show um i said i asked you about

2998
02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:14,480
crash retrievals and he's

2999
02:08:21,189 --> 02:08:18,239
you said to me then jimmy there has been

3000
02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:21,199
crash retrievals that's a fact and a lot

3001
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:22,000
of people went back

3002
02:08:25,109 --> 02:08:23,520
and said did you hear what jacques just

3003
02:08:27,350 --> 02:08:25,119
said right

3004
02:08:28,149 --> 02:08:27,360
it was a it was a moment in time on this

3005
02:08:31,350 --> 02:08:28,159
show

3006
02:08:32,069 --> 02:08:31,360
but when you said that uh to me back

3007
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:32,079
then jack

3008
02:08:36,550 --> 02:08:34,800
was this one of the retrievals that you

3009
02:08:39,189 --> 02:08:36,560
were talking about

3010
02:08:40,229 --> 02:08:39,199
yes yes definitely and people have

3011
02:08:43,030 --> 02:08:40,239
criticized me

3012
02:08:44,790 --> 02:08:43,040
and and they were right and i will

3013
02:08:48,069 --> 02:08:44,800
always acknowledge it

3014
02:08:51,109 --> 02:08:48,079
uh for neglecting uh

3015
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:51,119
crashes and you know but you know

3016
02:08:57,030 --> 02:08:53,199
roswell

3017
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:57,040
stories

3018
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:59,520
was where is very important and it's

3019
02:09:03,270 --> 02:09:01,199
very important that

3020
02:09:04,950 --> 02:09:03,280
the reason people didn't pay attention

3021
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:04,960
to this case

3022
02:09:12,790 --> 02:09:09,280
to the the is the peria case

3023
02:09:14,149 --> 02:09:12,800
is that roswell was also in new mexico

3024
02:09:16,470 --> 02:09:14,159
it seemed to have

3025
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:16,480
a lot more information well it had no

3026
02:09:19,669 --> 02:09:18,320
information because the witnesses were

3027
02:09:23,589 --> 02:09:19,679
talking

3028
02:09:26,709 --> 02:09:23,599
you know in our case the witnesses

3029
02:09:28,629 --> 02:09:26,719
did not want to talk they didn't want to

3030
02:09:30,790 --> 02:09:28,639
reveal what they had seen they didn't

3031
02:09:33,350 --> 02:09:30,800
want to and they went their own way

3032
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:33,360
and in fact they they sort of forgot

3033
02:09:37,669 --> 02:09:34,800
about the case they never

3034
02:09:38,149 --> 02:09:37,679
forgot it completely but it was they

3035
02:09:41,189 --> 02:09:38,159
were

3036
02:09:44,470 --> 02:09:41,199
brought back together by a genealogy

3037
02:09:46,149 --> 02:09:44,480
search and they this

3038
02:09:48,950 --> 02:09:46,159
you know they remembered that they had

3039
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:48,960
been in school together and so on and

3040
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:51,440
and then they reconnected and then they

3041
02:09:57,030 --> 02:09:53,599
started talking about the case

3042
02:09:59,270 --> 02:09:57,040
but this was 60 or 65 years later

3043
02:10:01,669 --> 02:09:59,280
and that's what's so unique about it

3044
02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:01,679
that the information is pristine

3045
02:10:06,310 --> 02:10:04,960
it's not you know saturated with all the

3046
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:06,320
media and all the

3047
02:10:12,229 --> 02:10:09,679
the other speculation yeah very

3048
02:10:12,950 --> 02:10:12,239
yeah yeah it's a very important part

3049
02:10:15,910 --> 02:10:12,960
about this

3050
02:10:16,790 --> 02:10:15,920
and then we have everything else paula

3051
02:10:19,510 --> 02:10:16,800
which is

3052
02:10:20,069 --> 02:10:19,520
what is going on right now the uap task

3053
02:10:22,149 --> 02:10:20,079
force

3054
02:10:24,550 --> 02:10:22,159
we have the senate intelligence

3055
02:10:26,950 --> 02:10:24,560
committee we have marco rubio

3056
02:10:28,870 --> 02:10:26,960
we've got the united states navy

3057
02:10:29,430 --> 02:10:28,880
involved in all of this but that is from

3058
02:10:33,030 --> 02:10:29,440
a pure

3059
02:10:34,550 --> 02:10:33,040
military perspective uh from one source

3060
02:10:36,950 --> 02:10:34,560
of information

3061
02:10:39,669 --> 02:10:36,960
here with everything else that is going

3062
02:10:43,350 --> 02:10:39,679
on right now in the ufo world

3063
02:10:45,750 --> 02:10:43,360
we have this bright shiny new case

3064
02:10:46,550 --> 02:10:45,760
and this book isn't this something that

3065
02:10:50,069 --> 02:10:46,560
should have

3066
02:10:51,910 --> 02:10:50,079
interest uh with not only the public but

3067
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:51,920
with the senate intelligence committee

3068
02:11:00,950 --> 02:10:54,400
about crash retrievals and what

3069
02:11:04,149 --> 02:11:02,950
well john should answer that question

3070
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:04,159
because

3071
02:11:09,669 --> 02:11:07,520
i uh jack why don't you go ahead and

3072
02:11:14,069 --> 02:11:09,679
answer that

3073
02:11:17,510 --> 02:11:14,079
so we see the the book i mean obviously

3074
02:11:21,189 --> 02:11:17,520
there is another level i mean

3075
02:11:25,030 --> 02:11:21,199
whoever or whatever was guiding

3076
02:11:27,510 --> 02:11:25,040
you know this object why would it crash

3077
02:11:29,589 --> 02:11:27,520
it obviously has exquisite technology

3078
02:11:31,430 --> 02:11:29,599
that we cannot approximate

3079
02:11:34,069 --> 02:11:31,440
some of the things that sabrina has

3080
02:11:37,270 --> 02:11:34,079
described in terms of those fibers

3081
02:11:39,910 --> 02:11:37,280
and other things we cannot

3082
02:11:41,990 --> 02:11:39,920
completely understand today we that's

3083
02:11:45,910 --> 02:11:42,000
why it's so interesting

3084
02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:45,920
that the question is was it a gift

3085
02:11:51,830 --> 02:11:48,960
was it a message again this comes out of

3086
02:11:55,750 --> 02:11:51,840
the sky and it crashes

3087
02:11:58,390 --> 02:11:55,760
on essentially on military land

3088
02:11:59,189 --> 02:11:58,400
20 miles from where the first atomic

3089
02:12:02,550 --> 02:11:59,199
bomb

3090
02:12:05,990 --> 02:12:02,560
has exploded as if it was

3091
02:12:09,430 --> 02:12:06,000
a response as if it was a message again

3092
02:12:11,109 --> 02:12:09,440
i'm looking at it as you know

3093
02:12:13,109 --> 02:12:11,119
i've worked with the architects of the

3094
02:12:16,629 --> 02:12:13,119
internet i know how

3095
02:12:20,149 --> 02:12:16,639
messages are transmitted i know how

3096
02:12:23,030 --> 02:12:20,159
images are transmitted i know how that

3097
02:12:23,830 --> 02:12:23,040
you know you can you can create sort of

3098
02:12:26,390 --> 02:12:23,840
a new

3099
02:12:27,189 --> 02:12:26,400
culture around the network that doesn't

3100
02:12:29,830 --> 02:12:27,199
exist in

3101
02:12:31,030 --> 02:12:29,840
any other way here we have a network of

3102
02:12:35,030 --> 02:12:31,040
cases

3103
02:12:38,149 --> 02:12:35,040
that seem to and remember we've never

3104
02:12:42,069 --> 02:12:38,159
nobody has ever used atom bombs

3105
02:12:43,750 --> 02:12:42,079
in conflict the book goes into at the

3106
02:12:46,310 --> 02:12:43,760
end

3107
02:12:46,790 --> 02:12:46,320
what the the scientists were talking

3108
02:12:49,430 --> 02:12:46,800
about

3109
02:12:51,350 --> 02:12:49,440
and what they were going to do when they

3110
02:12:54,550 --> 02:12:51,360
were disbanded from

3111
02:12:56,229 --> 02:12:54,560
uh you know from holloman and from and

3112
02:12:59,030 --> 02:12:56,239
from ground zero

3113
02:13:00,069 --> 02:12:59,040
and how they thought about their

3114
02:13:04,069 --> 02:13:00,079
contribution

3115
02:13:07,350 --> 02:13:04,079
having built this horrible weapon

3116
02:13:09,270 --> 02:13:07,360
and thinking about how it would

3117
02:13:10,790 --> 02:13:09,280
some of them just left i mean left

3118
02:13:13,189 --> 02:13:10,800
science gave up

3119
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:13,199
said they they never wanted to you know

3120
02:13:18,470 --> 02:13:16,000
that this was a worse sin you could have

3121
02:13:19,189 --> 02:13:18,480
committed that they did others thought

3122
02:13:23,589 --> 02:13:19,199
that

3123
02:13:25,589 --> 02:13:23,599
could be put around it and

3124
02:13:26,709 --> 02:13:25,599
enrique fermi was in the middle of that

3125
02:13:29,270 --> 02:13:26,719
with his own

3126
02:13:31,030 --> 02:13:29,280
his own thoughts about it and that's

3127
02:13:32,550 --> 02:13:31,040
that's what i discovered as well as

3128
02:13:35,189 --> 02:13:32,560
reading those books and

3129
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:35,199
reading the book of of his wife you know

3130
02:13:39,030 --> 02:13:35,920
was

3131
02:13:43,030 --> 02:13:39,040
this this italian very intelligent

3132
02:13:45,589 --> 02:13:43,040
you know uh woman who wasn't

3133
02:13:46,550 --> 02:13:45,599
read into the secrets but she lived with

3134
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:46,560
enrico

3135
02:13:53,350 --> 02:13:50,239
you know throughout his life and and she

3136
02:13:55,350 --> 02:13:53,360
describes what the atmosphere was

3137
02:13:57,669 --> 02:13:55,360
at los alamos and what the atmosphere

3138
02:14:00,870 --> 02:13:57,679
was at the site

3139
02:14:01,910 --> 02:14:00,880
and and all this thing happens right in

3140
02:14:05,030 --> 02:14:01,920
the middle of it

3141
02:14:08,229 --> 02:14:05,040
as if it was a gift now why

3142
02:14:10,390 --> 02:14:08,239
haven't the other part of this secret

3143
02:14:13,109 --> 02:14:10,400
is that you know people say you know

3144
02:14:15,109 --> 02:14:13,119
that the people with top secret

3145
02:14:16,629 --> 02:14:15,119
clearances they should have known about

3146
02:14:19,189 --> 02:14:16,639
that and how come

3147
02:14:21,270 --> 02:14:19,199
nothing has well there are three

3148
02:14:23,750 --> 02:14:21,280
different levels of secrets

3149
02:14:26,069 --> 02:14:23,760
in the united states there are secrets

3150
02:14:28,069 --> 02:14:26,079
that go to the president

3151
02:14:31,350 --> 02:14:28,079
but there are two other types of secrets

3152
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:31,360
that don't go to the president

3153
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:33,679
they are the the foreign intelligence

3154
02:14:38,830 --> 02:14:35,040
secrets

3155
02:14:42,550 --> 02:14:38,840
are handled in a separate

3156
02:14:45,589 --> 02:14:42,560
systematic classification system

3157
02:14:46,550 --> 02:14:45,599
and then there are nuclear secrets that

3158
02:14:49,830 --> 02:14:46,560
go to the

3159
02:14:54,069 --> 02:14:49,840
head of the atomic energy realm

3160
02:14:57,669 --> 02:14:54,079
and the secretary of energy

3161
02:15:00,709 --> 02:14:57,679
and power mentioned um

3162
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:00,719
you know that memo that uh

3163
02:15:07,589 --> 02:15:04,320
remy baga had seen that memo came from

3164
02:15:07,990 --> 02:15:07,599
the the energy side of the house they

3165
02:15:12,069 --> 02:15:08,000
have

3166
02:15:17,030 --> 02:15:12,079
their own type of secrets that are the

3167
02:15:18,870 --> 02:15:17,040
the p and q and r classification systems

3168
02:15:20,870 --> 02:15:18,880
that most of the people in the cia

3169
02:15:22,790 --> 02:15:20,880
wouldn't have most of the people in the

3170
02:15:25,189 --> 02:15:22,800
defense department wouldn't have

3171
02:15:26,870 --> 02:15:25,199
unless i had a need to know about the

3172
02:15:29,350 --> 02:15:26,880
nuclear secrets

3173
02:15:31,270 --> 02:15:29,360
and that's we think that's where the

3174
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:31,280
object was taken

3175
02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:34,239
and that's why it was covered by an

3176
02:15:38,950 --> 02:15:35,040
entirely

3177
02:15:41,750 --> 02:15:38,960
different system of clearances

3178
02:15:42,229 --> 02:15:41,760
that certainly the the people who were

3179
02:15:44,870 --> 02:15:42,239
you know

3180
02:15:45,750 --> 02:15:44,880
around mr bigelow the people who worked

3181
02:15:48,629 --> 02:15:45,760
on bass

3182
02:15:49,350 --> 02:15:48,639
the people who worked on atip would not

3183
02:15:52,470 --> 02:15:49,360
have had

3184
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:52,480
access to those clearances unless they

3185
02:15:56,550 --> 02:15:53,040
were

3186
02:15:59,750 --> 02:15:56,560
very very very special need to know

3187
02:16:01,510 --> 02:15:59,760
and uh in that area nobody has i mean

3188
02:16:03,270 --> 02:16:01,520
people are speculating

3189
02:16:04,629 --> 02:16:03,280
all the time around the web and that's

3190
02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:04,639
fine and

3191
02:16:10,870 --> 02:16:07,840
uh you know we've we've obviously seen

3192
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:10,880
a lot of very interesting speculation by

3193
02:16:13,669 --> 02:16:12,560
people who don't even know what our book

3194
02:16:14,950 --> 02:16:13,679
is about

3195
02:16:17,189 --> 02:16:14,960
except that of course they know

3196
02:16:18,709 --> 02:16:17,199
everything already because i've read a

3197
02:16:22,470 --> 02:16:18,719
couple of other books

3198
02:16:24,629 --> 02:16:22,480
and we respect that kind of inquiry

3199
02:16:26,229 --> 02:16:24,639
but we think they should read the book

3200
02:16:28,390 --> 02:16:26,239
first because again

3201
02:16:30,229 --> 02:16:28,400
we're at the beginning of something here

3202
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:30,239
and maybe the senate is

3203
02:16:37,509 --> 02:16:33,679
at the beginning of something too now uh

3204
02:16:39,190 --> 02:16:37,519
i want to uh i want to go back if we can

3205
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:39,200
we've only got a few minutes left we've

3206
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:41,040
got about 15 minutes left

3207
02:16:45,509 --> 02:16:44,080
um did the kids i need clarification

3208
02:16:49,030 --> 02:16:45,519
this is me asking

3209
02:16:54,709 --> 02:16:49,040
uh kind of a dumb question did the kids

3210
02:16:59,270 --> 02:16:57,429
they were they were on their horses they

3211
02:17:01,990 --> 02:16:59,280
were at a different part of the

3212
02:17:04,389 --> 02:17:02,000
land there there had been a thunderstorm

3213
02:17:07,990 --> 02:17:04,399
as always in new mexico in the summer

3214
02:17:09,030 --> 02:17:08,000
big thunderstorm and they they had taken

3215
02:17:12,389 --> 02:17:09,040
shelter

3216
02:17:13,750 --> 02:17:12,399
they were again watching the the cattle

3217
02:17:16,870 --> 02:17:13,760
in the distance

3218
02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:16,880
and then the the the storm

3219
02:17:21,750 --> 02:17:20,080
abated in the middle of that this thing

3220
02:17:24,150 --> 02:17:21,760
came over their head

3221
02:17:25,349 --> 02:17:24,160
hit the tower they heard that they saw

3222
02:17:28,870 --> 02:17:25,359
the thing

3223
02:17:31,990 --> 02:17:28,880
then it crashed it it actually landed

3224
02:17:35,509 --> 02:17:32,000
crash landed it it uh

3225
02:17:40,150 --> 02:17:35,519
burrowed that that

3226
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:40,160
highway into the landscape at high speed

3227
02:17:43,349 --> 02:17:42,800
setting the crews zone and the cactus

3228
02:17:46,070 --> 02:17:43,359
and

3229
02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:46,080
the trees that were there on fire for a

3230
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:48,399
short time there was a lot of smoke

3231
02:17:53,750 --> 02:17:51,679
and in some of the books i think in

3232
02:17:55,589 --> 02:17:53,760
is described as a thing being on fire

3233
02:17:59,190 --> 02:17:55,599
the thing was not on fire

3234
02:18:01,429 --> 02:17:59,200
there is no sign of fire on the shell

3235
02:18:02,469 --> 02:18:01,439
of the object as they describe it it was

3236
02:18:04,629 --> 02:18:02,479
intact

3237
02:18:06,870 --> 02:18:04,639
except for that one panel that had blown

3238
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:06,880
out when it hit the tower

3239
02:18:12,870 --> 02:18:10,559
now then the kids thought that they were

3240
02:18:13,910 --> 02:18:12,880
disturbed by all the smoke but when the

3241
02:18:16,389 --> 02:18:13,920
smoke cleared

3242
02:18:18,709 --> 02:18:16,399
then the fire stopped they got on their

3243
02:18:20,309 --> 02:18:18,719
horses and they went there

3244
02:18:21,910 --> 02:18:20,319
to see if they could help they thought

3245
02:18:23,830 --> 02:18:21,920
it was an

3246
02:18:25,190 --> 02:18:23,840
some sort of airplane that had crashed

3247
02:18:27,190 --> 02:18:25,200
and they were the

3248
02:18:30,389 --> 02:18:27,200
first on the scene they knew when you're

3249
02:18:33,830 --> 02:18:30,399
first on the scene you have to help

3250
02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:33,840
uh paula in your interviews with them

3251
02:18:42,230 --> 02:18:38,000
did they describe any noise did

3252
02:18:45,429 --> 02:18:42,240
as it passed overhead what did they hear

3253
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:45,439
well it it took a part of the radio

3254
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:46,880
tower they saw that

3255
02:18:50,230 --> 02:18:49,439
and they heard that but they didn't hear

3256
02:18:53,030 --> 02:18:50,240
any noise

3257
02:18:54,150 --> 02:18:53,040
no they know but they saw the smoke and

3258
02:18:56,790 --> 02:18:54,160
they knew

3259
02:18:57,589 --> 02:18:56,800
that you know where it landed so you

3260
02:19:00,070 --> 02:18:57,599
know

3261
02:19:01,750 --> 02:19:00,080
a lot of what they did was what curious

3262
02:19:04,870 --> 02:19:01,760
little boys do

3263
02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:04,880
because jose even said to me he said

3264
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:06,479
they couldn't have kept me from going

3265
02:19:09,990 --> 02:19:07,679
inside

3266
02:19:11,110 --> 02:19:10,000
he said they couldn't have kept us from

3267
02:19:13,509 --> 02:19:11,120
looking over

3268
02:19:15,509 --> 02:19:13,519
the arroyo every day you know because

3269
02:19:18,469 --> 02:19:15,519
the father had told them you know

3270
02:19:19,990 --> 02:19:18,479
be careful and the boys just snuck there

3271
02:19:23,270 --> 02:19:20,000
and watched this whole thing

3272
02:19:26,309 --> 02:19:23,280
they were mischievous little boys so

3273
02:19:29,349 --> 02:19:26,319
uh yeah they they

3274
02:19:30,549 --> 02:19:29,359
described perfectly there was there was

3275
02:19:32,870 --> 02:19:30,559
no sound

3276
02:19:35,509 --> 02:19:32,880
they didn't know what it was they

3277
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:35,519
watched the the whole retrieval in the

3278
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:36,559
book there's

3279
02:19:40,389 --> 02:19:39,120
a minute by minute you know what they

3280
02:19:43,669 --> 02:19:40,399
were doing

3281
02:19:44,549 --> 02:19:43,679
and it's one of the best stories ever

3282
02:19:48,389 --> 02:19:44,559
jimmy

3283
02:19:51,429 --> 02:19:48,399
because jose has a photographic memory

3284
02:19:53,510 --> 02:19:51,439
actually so so does sabrina

3285
02:19:54,469 --> 02:19:53,520
and remy's story it you know

3286
02:19:57,270 --> 02:19:54,479
collaborates

3287
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:57,280
all of them now what about windows was

3288
02:20:01,830 --> 02:19:58,560
there a windshield

3289
02:20:04,469 --> 02:20:01,840
were there windows no there

3290
02:20:05,030 --> 02:20:04,479
there were no windows no windshield no

3291
02:20:06,870 --> 02:20:05,040
way too

3292
02:20:08,389 --> 02:20:06,880
there was only a little bubble at the

3293
02:20:12,070 --> 02:20:08,399
end yeah which was

3294
02:20:14,830 --> 02:20:12,080
too small for somebody to stand inside

3295
02:20:16,309 --> 02:20:14,840
but it was like a couple of feet in

3296
02:20:19,349 --> 02:20:16,319
diameter very

3297
02:20:22,469 --> 02:20:19,359
interesting yeah very interesting yeah

3298
02:20:24,150 --> 02:20:22,479
very very interesting uh

3299
02:20:25,590 --> 02:20:24,160
uh description of the craft to have

3300
02:20:28,830 --> 02:20:25,600
something aft right

3301
02:20:32,950 --> 02:20:28,840
not forward but to the rear of the craft

3302
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:35,429
now what did they what did they say

3303
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:36,000
about the

3304
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:39,200
interior the controls um

3305
02:20:43,990 --> 02:20:40,800
well there were no controls that they

3306
02:20:47,990 --> 02:20:44,000
saw except for the bracket that we have

3307
02:20:49,830 --> 02:20:48,000
the the the walls were smooth

3308
02:20:51,110 --> 02:20:49,840
there didn't seem to have been anything

3309
02:20:53,510 --> 02:20:51,120
attached to it

3310
02:20:55,270 --> 02:20:53,520
that the army would have removed and

3311
02:20:56,790 --> 02:20:55,280
that is you know it's a great question

3312
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:56,800
because you expect that

3313
02:21:01,030 --> 02:20:58,720
there would be some sort of

3314
02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:01,040
instrumentation some sort of furniture

3315
02:21:04,710 --> 02:21:04,000
there would be special seats for a pilot

3316
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:04,720
there would be

3317
02:21:09,270 --> 02:21:07,200
there was none of it so obviously the

3318
02:21:12,469 --> 02:21:09,280
thing controlled its environment

3319
02:21:14,469 --> 02:21:12,479
or was controlled from elsewhere

3320
02:21:16,150 --> 02:21:14,479
intact what do you mean there were no

3321
02:21:21,910 --> 02:21:16,160
seats

3322
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:21,920
now we don't know what the army could

3323
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:23,120
have removed the

3324
02:21:29,670 --> 02:21:26,399
first day when they were there but

3325
02:21:32,950 --> 02:21:29,680
they were they uh you know

3326
02:21:36,550 --> 02:21:32,960
uh mr perea doesn't describe

3327
02:21:38,950 --> 02:21:36,560
any attachments any holes in the walls

3328
02:21:40,070 --> 02:21:38,960
we went over that again and again and

3329
02:21:42,710 --> 02:21:40,080
again

3330
02:21:44,309 --> 02:21:42,720
and parallel was a little bit mad at me

3331
02:21:46,950 --> 02:21:44,319
because i was

3332
02:21:47,510 --> 02:21:46,960
going over and over the technical stuff

3333
02:21:50,469 --> 02:21:47,520
but the

3334
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:50,479
the walls were smooth they were in

3335
02:21:55,830 --> 02:21:52,160
panels that were a dark

3336
02:21:59,429 --> 02:21:55,840
gray and the floor

3337
02:22:00,790 --> 02:21:59,439
was was flat and

3338
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:00,800
again there was something under the

3339
02:22:05,190 --> 02:22:03,359
floor and we have no idea what it was

3340
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:05,200
but there was no attachment there were

3341
02:22:09,670 --> 02:22:06,399
no pipes

3342
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:09,680
there was no there were no antennas

3343
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:13,200
there were no visible uh things as if

3344
02:22:16,389 --> 02:22:14,479
you had taken apart

3345
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:16,399
you know the army had taken apart a lot

3346
02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:18,720
of equipment because when

3347
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:22,960
uh when uh the father faustino padilla

3348
02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:26,560
went inside he didn't describe any

3349
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:29,359
in any complex instrumentation either

3350
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:31,280
and the kids could see

3351
02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:33,760
uh the father you know going inside

3352
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:34,399
through that

3353
02:22:38,070 --> 02:22:36,640
opening so we have a very good

3354
02:22:40,790 --> 02:22:38,080
description

3355
02:22:42,230 --> 02:22:40,800
you asked about the you know the navy

3356
02:22:45,750 --> 02:22:42,240
study and so on

3357
02:22:48,550 --> 02:22:45,760
we we are not publishing this

3358
02:22:49,990 --> 02:22:48,560
as whistleblowers that's not the

3359
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:50,000
intention of the witnesses

3360
02:22:56,870 --> 02:22:54,479
either we want to we think we can make

3361
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:56,880
a contribution that's all you do in

3362
02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:58,080
science

3363
02:23:02,550 --> 02:23:00,960
you don't solve big big problems unless

3364
02:23:05,190 --> 02:23:02,560
you're einstein

3365
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:05,200
you try to make the best contribution

3366
02:23:08,550 --> 02:23:06,319
you can

3367
02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:08,560
and the reason we didn't go to a regular

3368
02:23:13,830 --> 02:23:09,520
publisher

3369
02:23:16,389 --> 02:23:13,840
to couldn't bring out this book

3370
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:16,399
and they wanted to rework it and re redo

3371
02:23:19,910 --> 02:23:17,040
their

3372
02:23:20,950 --> 02:23:19,920
organization it would come out next year

3373
02:23:23,349 --> 02:23:20,960
well there is something

3374
02:23:24,790 --> 02:23:23,359
very important happening in the next few

3375
02:23:27,270 --> 02:23:24,800
weeks in washington

3376
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:27,280
and we wanted to make our contribution

3377
02:23:32,230 --> 02:23:28,560
to the debate

3378
02:23:34,469 --> 02:23:32,240
and to bring the facts as as they are

3379
02:23:35,830 --> 02:23:34,479
the bracket itself is donated to a

3380
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:35,840
university

3381
02:23:41,750 --> 02:23:38,960
so it will be available to qualified

3382
02:23:42,550 --> 02:23:41,760
scientists we don't want to keep it or

3383
02:23:46,070 --> 02:23:42,560
dig a hole

3384
02:23:48,230 --> 02:23:46,080
and hide it for our own use it it will

3385
02:23:50,710 --> 02:23:48,240
be available to other researchers

3386
02:23:51,670 --> 02:23:50,720
that's the way things work in science we

3387
02:23:53,990 --> 02:23:51,680
realize

3388
02:23:55,030 --> 02:23:54,000
there's a lot of technology that's

3389
02:23:57,190 --> 02:23:55,040
beyond what

3390
02:23:58,950 --> 02:23:57,200
we have been able to look at there are a

3391
02:24:01,349 --> 02:23:58,960
lot of other questions that

3392
02:24:03,349 --> 02:24:01,359
our colleagues will be asking you know

3393
02:24:05,349 --> 02:24:03,359
in in the fullness of time

3394
02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:05,359
and that's what that's what we want to

3395
02:24:09,270 --> 02:24:06,640
offer

3396
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:09,280
now there's something that stands out

3397
02:24:13,830 --> 02:24:10,960
for me here

3398
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:13,840
um and i want you both to answer this

3399
02:24:16,550 --> 02:24:14,399
question

3400
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:16,560
before we say good night we've only got

3401
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:17,760
a few minutes left

3402
02:24:22,950 --> 02:24:19,840
and that is this with without any

3403
02:24:25,190 --> 02:24:22,960
controls without anything on the inside

3404
02:24:26,309 --> 02:24:25,200
with with that part of the high

3405
02:24:29,429 --> 02:24:26,319
strangeness no

3406
02:24:31,990 --> 02:24:29,439
windows a definite physical

3407
02:24:33,190 --> 02:24:32,000
heavy craft without any wings without

3408
02:24:37,510 --> 02:24:33,200
any jet

3409
02:24:41,190 --> 02:24:37,520
sounds to me like it was in hours

3410
02:24:44,550 --> 02:24:41,200
that's the way this feels to me uh

3411
02:24:47,750 --> 02:24:44,560
jacques does this feel like it's hours

3412
02:24:48,870 --> 02:24:47,760
it wasn't no it wasn't hours and the

3413
02:24:52,230 --> 02:24:48,880
extraordinary

3414
02:24:56,070 --> 02:24:52,240
precautions that the the army took

3415
02:24:59,270 --> 02:24:56,080
to remove it and everything else uh

3416
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:59,280
it it that indicates it was treated as

3417
02:25:04,950 --> 02:25:00,960
something extraordinary

3418
02:25:06,469 --> 02:25:04,960
paula was it ours i can't answer that

3419
02:25:08,870 --> 02:25:06,479
question except

3420
02:25:11,670 --> 02:25:08,880
it doesn't seem to be ours and and

3421
02:25:15,110 --> 02:25:11,680
there's so many mysteries around this

3422
02:25:15,429 --> 02:25:15,120
that the story is not over it's so let's

3423
02:25:19,910 --> 02:25:15,439
not

3424
02:25:22,710 --> 02:25:19,920
parallel may have their own

3425
02:25:23,990 --> 02:25:22,720
opinions or speculations but let's not

3426
02:25:26,550 --> 02:25:24,000
make the job that it was

3427
02:25:28,070 --> 02:25:26,560
extraterrestrial right because again

3428
02:25:31,110 --> 02:25:28,080
we've made that mistake for

3429
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:31,120
80 years you know if it's if it's real

3430
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:32,800
it's not ours it has to come from the

3431
02:25:36,550 --> 02:25:34,800
stars well

3432
02:25:38,309 --> 02:25:36,560
if you listen to physicists today

3433
02:25:41,190 --> 02:25:38,319
they'll tell you it could come from all

3434
02:25:43,349 --> 02:25:41,200
kinds of other places

3435
02:25:44,630 --> 02:25:43,359
there are a lot of questions today about

3436
02:25:47,830 --> 02:25:44,640
what is space

3437
02:25:51,590 --> 02:25:47,840
what is time can we travel in time

3438
02:25:55,190 --> 02:25:51,600
we know of

3439
02:25:59,270 --> 02:25:55,200
physical objects and physical

3440
02:26:01,830 --> 02:25:59,280
models that can be

3441
02:26:03,670 --> 02:26:01,840
you know translate objects through

3442
02:26:06,309 --> 02:26:03,680
space-time

3443
02:26:08,150 --> 02:26:06,319
it's all new physics it's physics that

3444
02:26:11,670 --> 02:26:08,160
isn't regularly taught even

3445
02:26:15,910 --> 02:26:11,680
at the university you know bachelor

3446
02:26:18,150 --> 02:26:15,920
or level or master level in physics

3447
02:26:19,590 --> 02:26:18,160
but when you when you really get into

3448
02:26:21,990 --> 02:26:19,600
the advanced physics

3449
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:22,000
when i listen to my colleagues who are

3450
02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:23,120
working at those

3451
02:26:28,870 --> 02:26:26,960
in those areas there are a lot of

3452
02:26:30,309 --> 02:26:28,880
other things that this thing could have

3453
02:26:32,150 --> 02:26:30,319
been

3454
02:26:33,750 --> 02:26:32,160
other types of propulsion this thing

3455
02:26:36,309 --> 02:26:33,760
could have been using

3456
02:26:37,030 --> 02:26:36,319
without necessarily crossing the space

3457
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:37,040
from

3458
02:26:41,750 --> 02:26:39,600
alpha centauri like everybody says we

3459
02:26:44,710 --> 02:26:41,760
have to let go of that idea

3460
02:26:45,429 --> 02:26:44,720
that it's necessarily et okay it could

3461
02:26:49,670 --> 02:26:45,439
be

3462
02:26:50,550 --> 02:26:49,680
designed by the creatures that were

3463
02:26:54,070 --> 02:26:50,560
inside

3464
02:26:57,270 --> 02:26:54,080
they apparently were disposable

3465
02:27:02,150 --> 02:26:57,280
what kind of civilization does that okay

3466
02:27:05,030 --> 02:27:02,160
and uh so it raises at the next level

3467
02:27:05,590 --> 02:27:05,040
where the ufologists have never gone you

3468
02:27:07,510 --> 02:27:05,600
know

3469
02:27:09,349 --> 02:27:07,520
at the next level that's where the

3470
02:27:12,790 --> 02:27:09,359
important questions are going to be

3471
02:27:14,309 --> 02:27:12,800
the strategic questions and i i think

3472
02:27:17,030 --> 02:27:14,319
the military

3473
02:27:18,950 --> 02:27:17,040
and certainly the atomic energy people

3474
02:27:20,230 --> 02:27:18,960
have been asking those questions i have

3475
02:27:22,630 --> 02:27:20,240
to

3476
02:27:23,910 --> 02:27:22,640
you know yeah you've really got me

3477
02:27:26,790 --> 02:27:23,920
thinking there

3478
02:27:28,550 --> 02:27:26,800
and and paula when you hear you know

3479
02:27:31,030 --> 02:27:28,560
that's why jacques is so smart

3480
02:27:32,389 --> 02:27:31,040
right there he makes you think right you

3481
02:27:35,349 --> 02:27:32,399
have to go and ask

3482
02:27:35,910 --> 02:27:35,359
these very difficult questions if there

3483
02:27:43,349 --> 02:27:35,920
weren't

3484
02:27:45,910 --> 02:27:43,359
three passengers uh

3485
02:27:47,590 --> 02:27:45,920
was it was it a test you know i don't

3486
02:27:48,710 --> 02:27:47,600
know i don't know but there's something

3487
02:27:50,630 --> 02:27:48,720
sent from the future

3488
02:27:53,990 --> 02:27:50,640
i don't know there's another piece to

3489
02:27:56,469 --> 02:27:54,000
this i've got to bring up colonel corso

3490
02:27:57,750 --> 02:27:56,479
well that's when i that's when i said

3491
02:27:59,830 --> 02:27:57,760
it's a mystery

3492
02:28:02,070 --> 02:27:59,840
because you know a lot of people in the

3493
02:28:03,670 --> 02:28:02,080
future are going to ask jack and i black

3494
02:28:06,950 --> 02:28:03,680
and white questions

3495
02:28:09,670 --> 02:28:06,960
and they're you know in for my answers

3496
02:28:10,630 --> 02:28:09,680
there are not black and white answers i

3497
02:28:13,510 --> 02:28:10,640
i can't

3498
02:28:14,469 --> 02:28:13,520
you know i don't know and i as a

3499
02:28:17,510 --> 02:28:14,479
researcher

3500
02:28:19,670 --> 02:28:17,520
i'm not ashamed to say i don't know i

3501
02:28:22,790 --> 02:28:19,680
think what my job is

3502
02:28:24,070 --> 02:28:22,800
is not to make assumptions but just to

3503
02:28:27,270 --> 02:28:24,080
do the story

3504
02:28:28,070 --> 02:28:27,280
to get accurately the history of what

3505
02:28:31,349 --> 02:28:28,080
these kids

3506
02:28:32,550 --> 02:28:31,359
said to get accurately when this

3507
02:28:34,710 --> 02:28:32,560
happened

3508
02:28:36,469 --> 02:28:34,720
and and that's been my job as an

3509
02:28:37,270 --> 02:28:36,479
investigative journalist i get in

3510
02:28:40,469 --> 02:28:37,280
trouble

3511
02:28:43,590 --> 02:28:40,479
if i even think about the conclusions i

3512
02:28:44,070 --> 02:28:43,600
i mean they're you know we still don't

3513
02:28:46,550 --> 02:28:44,080
have

3514
02:28:48,230 --> 02:28:46,560
answers jimmy that's why this is also

3515
02:28:50,550 --> 02:28:48,240
fascinating for me

3516
02:28:51,510 --> 02:28:50,560
it's always going to be a mystery it's

3517
02:28:55,590 --> 02:28:51,520
awesome

3518
02:28:57,670 --> 02:28:55,600
not only

3519
02:28:59,590 --> 02:28:57,680
uh taking the time to do the research

3520
02:29:02,469 --> 02:28:59,600
and and to get this book out

3521
02:29:03,990 --> 02:29:02,479
but for sharing it with us uh and and

3522
02:29:06,070 --> 02:29:04,000
bringing it to the community

3523
02:29:08,950 --> 02:29:06,080
we're in a very strange time we're in a

3524
02:29:09,590 --> 02:29:08,960
very important time and here we have

3525
02:29:12,950 --> 02:29:09,600
this book

3526
02:29:15,510 --> 02:29:12,960
it is a gift thank you both thank you

3527
02:29:17,750 --> 02:29:15,520
jimmy thanks for having us

3528
02:29:19,510 --> 02:29:17,760
jimmy you guys great yeah thank you

3529
02:29:23,030 --> 02:29:19,520
jacques jacques i want you to behave

3530
02:29:23,990 --> 02:29:23,040
now okay i want you to behave uh paulo

3531
02:29:26,150 --> 02:29:24,000
thank you so much

3532
02:29:27,750 --> 02:29:26,160
and and the three of us have got a lot

3533
02:29:29,110 --> 02:29:27,760
of stuff that we're doing in the future

3534
02:29:31,910 --> 02:29:29,120
thank you so much

3535
02:29:33,910 --> 02:29:31,920
now and they'll see jacques at laughlin

3536
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:33,920
at my conference in november

3537
02:29:37,190 --> 02:29:36,000
because he's going to be our keynote

3538
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:37,200
speaker november

3539
02:29:41,990 --> 02:29:39,840
12th through 14th in laughlin nevada

3540
02:29:43,349 --> 02:29:42,000
wait a minute wait a minute i got bumped

3541
02:29:46,150 --> 02:29:43,359
for jacques valet

3542
02:29:48,389 --> 02:29:46,160
i thought i was keen i thought i was

3543
02:29:51,030 --> 02:29:48,399
keen

3544
02:29:51,910 --> 02:29:51,040
jack and i will do the keynote in la

3545
02:29:54,790 --> 02:29:51,920
flint so

3546
02:29:56,469 --> 02:29:54,800
people can ask him questions in person

3547
02:29:58,790 --> 02:29:56,479
jacques i can't wait to see you again my

3548
02:30:00,710 --> 02:29:58,800
friend and the same goes for you paula

3549
02:30:02,710 --> 02:30:00,720
you guys be safe and enjoy the rest of

3550
02:30:05,710 --> 02:30:02,720
your evening thank you so much

3551
02:30:08,070 --> 02:30:05,720
thank you thank you that was

3552
02:30:10,230 --> 02:30:08,080
unbelievable what a great conversation

3553
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:10,240
jacques vale and paula harris

3554
02:30:13,910 --> 02:30:12,640
the book of course is trinity the best

3555
02:30:16,230 --> 02:30:13,920
kept secret

3556
02:30:17,030 --> 02:30:16,240
as as soon as i get any other

3557
02:30:18,710 --> 02:30:17,040
information

3558
02:30:20,670 --> 02:30:18,720
all of it will be out there on social

3559
02:30:22,309 --> 02:30:20,680
media and we'll have it over at

3560
02:30:23,590 --> 02:30:22,319
chimneychurchradio.com thank you jacques

3561
02:30:25,110 --> 02:30:23,600
thank you paula

3562
02:30:27,110 --> 02:30:25,120
this is fade to black i'm going to take

3563
02:30:29,110 --> 02:30:27,120
a quick break i need a breath

3564
02:30:33,530 --> 02:30:29,120
that was amazing i'll be right back stay

3565
02:30:47,990 --> 02:30:33,540
with us

3566
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:50,389
hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3567
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you are listening to my boy

3568
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despite popular opinion reading a book

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3664
02:35:27,510 --> 02:35:13,310
this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com

3665
02:35:29,270 --> 02:35:27,520
[Music]

3666
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:29,280
welcome back fade to black i am your

3667
02:35:32,950 --> 02:35:30,960
host jimmy church

3668
02:35:34,070 --> 02:35:32,960
there you have it jack valet paula

3669
02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:34,080
harris

3670
02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:37,359
the new book trinity the best kept

3671
02:35:44,550 --> 02:35:40,880
secret now i've just opened up the phone

3672
02:35:46,710 --> 02:35:44,560
line 747-228-2051

3673
02:35:48,389 --> 02:35:46,720
i know that i posted uh that the phone

3674
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:48,399
lines were open they were not they

3675
02:35:54,550 --> 02:35:51,520
are now open i went through uh

3676
02:35:57,590 --> 02:35:54,560
uh probably like most of you did uh

3677
02:36:00,710 --> 02:35:57,600
my computer uh which i leave

3678
02:36:01,910 --> 02:36:00,720
i leave one computer on all night uh i

3679
02:36:03,910 --> 02:36:01,920
never shut it down

3680
02:36:06,230 --> 02:36:03,920
that's because of my email and all the

3681
02:36:09,510 --> 02:36:06,240
filters that are on it so my

3682
02:36:11,750 --> 02:36:09,520
cell phone isn't full of spam you know

3683
02:36:12,630 --> 02:36:11,760
and and and and so it always stays

3684
02:36:16,550 --> 02:36:12,640
running

3685
02:36:18,550 --> 02:36:16,560
and uh this morning i woke up seven four

3686
02:36:21,990 --> 02:36:18,560
seven two two eight two zero five one

3687
02:36:25,590 --> 02:36:22,000
woke up this morning literally

3688
02:36:28,630 --> 02:36:25,600
got oh

3689
02:36:32,150 --> 02:36:28,640
300 spam emails

3690
02:36:34,550 --> 02:36:32,160
and and um oh no so

3691
02:36:35,349 --> 02:36:34,560
my computer shut down overnight and went

3692
02:36:39,190 --> 02:36:35,359
through

3693
02:36:41,910 --> 02:36:39,200
um a software update so anyway

3694
02:36:42,790 --> 02:36:41,920
um did the show tonight and everything i

3695
02:36:45,190 --> 02:36:42,800
forgot

3696
02:36:46,309 --> 02:36:45,200
the everything was shut down and so my

3697
02:36:49,349 --> 02:36:46,319
phone system

3698
02:36:51,590 --> 02:36:49,359
uh was not open and but now it's on

3699
02:36:52,389 --> 02:36:51,600
it's on seven four seven two two eight

3700
02:36:55,349 --> 02:36:52,399
two zero five

3701
02:36:56,550 --> 02:36:55,359
one and uh no fader night this week uh

3702
02:37:01,830 --> 02:36:56,560
tonight is your night

3703
02:37:04,070 --> 02:37:01,840
uh for fader night and call 747-228-2051

3704
02:37:06,790 --> 02:37:04,080
we've got uh one segment left on the

3705
02:37:10,230 --> 02:37:06,800
show so many things to take away

3706
02:37:13,270 --> 02:37:10,240
from this conversation tonight there are

3707
02:37:15,190 --> 02:37:13,280
um so many rumors uh that

3708
02:37:16,550 --> 02:37:15,200
have been going around out there i hope

3709
02:37:19,349 --> 02:37:16,560
that we

3710
02:37:19,750 --> 02:37:19,359
addressed uh not all of them but most of

3711
02:37:23,190 --> 02:37:19,760
them

3712
02:37:24,870 --> 02:37:23,200
tonight i had said last week

3713
02:37:26,950 --> 02:37:24,880
so i want to talk about a few of those

3714
02:37:30,230 --> 02:37:26,960
and uh you can certainly

3715
02:37:33,590 --> 02:37:30,240
uh mention uh what you want uh

3716
02:37:37,190 --> 02:37:33,600
in in some phone calls is this

3717
02:37:37,590 --> 02:37:37,200
i had said last week um and which is

3718
02:37:41,110 --> 02:37:37,600
very

3719
02:37:45,270 --> 02:37:41,120
interesting as as the rumors started

3720
02:37:48,630 --> 02:37:45,280
um uh how do i say this i had mentioned

3721
02:37:52,309 --> 02:37:48,640
last week that here we have

3722
02:37:52,950 --> 02:37:52,319
this is the beginning of an important

3723
02:37:56,230 --> 02:37:52,960
case

3724
02:37:59,590 --> 02:37:56,240
this is the beginning

3725
02:38:01,270 --> 02:37:59,600
if we go back and look at the way

3726
02:38:04,070 --> 02:38:01,280
roswell if you go back to stanton

3727
02:38:05,590 --> 02:38:04,080
friedman jesse marcel

3728
02:38:07,910 --> 02:38:05,600
and the way the witnesses started to

3729
02:38:11,990 --> 02:38:07,920
come forward and everything

3730
02:38:15,190 --> 02:38:12,000
that uh that was fresh it was new

3731
02:38:16,150 --> 02:38:15,200
and everybody had questions and this

3732
02:38:19,270 --> 02:38:16,160
thing was

3733
02:38:22,389 --> 02:38:19,280
potentially not only a big case

3734
02:38:26,830 --> 02:38:22,399
but a cover-up so what do you do

3735
02:38:33,349 --> 02:38:29,510
plod through the muck

3736
02:38:34,790 --> 02:38:33,359
to get all of this stuff uh out there

3737
02:38:37,030 --> 02:38:34,800
what do you do how do you handle that

3738
02:38:39,990 --> 02:38:37,040
with with a case that big

3739
02:38:40,790 --> 02:38:40,000
the parallels between roswell and this

3740
02:38:42,070 --> 02:38:40,800
jacques said

3741
02:38:43,429 --> 02:38:42,080
you know it's it's a bit different

3742
02:38:44,230 --> 02:38:43,439
because there was a lot of witnesses and

3743
02:38:46,230 --> 02:38:44,240
the witness

3744
02:38:48,150 --> 02:38:46,240
yes there is that part of it and

3745
02:38:51,030 --> 02:38:48,160
certainly jacques is right

3746
02:38:51,910 --> 02:38:51,040
to express that but there's the other

3747
02:38:55,429 --> 02:38:51,920
part

3748
02:38:59,030 --> 02:38:55,439
because i remember going into roswell

3749
02:38:59,590 --> 02:38:59,040
uh uh the case as the book started to

3750
02:39:02,630 --> 02:38:59,600
come out

3751
02:39:03,349 --> 02:39:02,640
and the witnesses and the things it took

3752
02:39:06,630 --> 02:39:03,359
a while

3753
02:39:08,070 --> 02:39:06,640
and all of us were innocent right we're

3754
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:08,080
trying to figure this out we're all

3755
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:10,080
asking questions and think

3756
02:39:17,110 --> 02:39:14,000
i have the same feeling right now

3757
02:39:20,150 --> 02:39:17,120
with this case right there

3758
02:39:21,349 --> 02:39:20,160
is uh jose pedia and this case has been

3759
02:39:25,270 --> 02:39:21,359
referenced out there

3760
02:39:26,790 --> 02:39:25,280
it has um but so was roswell

3761
02:39:28,550 --> 02:39:26,800
roswell was on the front page of the

3762
02:39:31,910 --> 02:39:28,560
roswell daily record

3763
02:39:37,030 --> 02:39:31,920
there was a a release from

3764
02:39:41,510 --> 02:39:39,030
out and the way that all of that was

3765
02:39:43,670 --> 02:39:41,520
dealt it wasn't like

3766
02:39:45,590 --> 02:39:43,680
roswell wasn't covered it was it was

3767
02:39:48,710 --> 02:39:45,600
covered and then covered up

3768
02:39:53,510 --> 02:39:48,720
we have nearly the same kind of parallel

3769
02:39:56,070 --> 02:39:53,520
here with this now we've got to go in

3770
02:39:56,950 --> 02:39:56,080
and unravel this we have some

3771
02:39:59,349 --> 02:39:56,960
information

3772
02:40:00,870 --> 02:39:59,359
we have somewhat of a paper trail we've

3773
02:40:03,990 --> 02:40:00,880
got some evidence

3774
02:40:07,670 --> 02:40:04,000
we've got witnesses that are still alive

3775
02:40:10,230 --> 02:40:07,680
and we are able to now go through this

3776
02:40:11,990 --> 02:40:10,240
and and this investigation together at a

3777
02:40:14,870 --> 02:40:12,000
very important time

3778
02:40:17,349 --> 02:40:14,880
in all of ufology think of everything

3779
02:40:19,990 --> 02:40:17,359
that is breaking right now

3780
02:40:21,269 --> 02:40:20,000
last month there was no mention of

3781
02:40:23,269 --> 02:40:21,279
trinity

3782
02:40:24,950 --> 02:40:23,279
jacques and paula last month two months

3783
02:40:28,469 --> 02:40:24,960
ago three months ago

3784
02:40:30,070 --> 02:40:28,479
uh the last two or three no and now

3785
02:40:32,550 --> 02:40:30,080
right now with everything else that is

3786
02:40:35,750 --> 02:40:32,560
going on this pile of stuff

3787
02:40:36,710 --> 02:40:35,760
we have this gift thank you jacques

3788
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:36,720
thank you paula

3789
02:40:42,710 --> 02:40:41,200
absolutely incredible 747-228-2051

3790
02:40:44,950 --> 02:40:42,720
let's go to the phones hi you're live on

3791
02:40:47,510 --> 02:40:44,960
fade to black who's calling

3792
02:40:48,630 --> 02:40:47,520
hey jimmy it's carrie in palm springs

3793
02:40:51,670 --> 02:40:48,640
how are you doing

3794
02:40:55,190 --> 02:40:51,680
well um i didn't know this was you

3795
02:40:58,550 --> 02:40:55,200
carrie but i'm not surprised

3796
02:41:03,030 --> 02:41:01,030
why is that because this was a

3797
02:41:05,030 --> 02:41:03,040
incredible night on the show and i know

3798
02:41:07,990 --> 02:41:05,040
that you were listening

3799
02:41:09,510 --> 02:41:08,000
yes i've been listening all week yeah

3800
02:41:10,870 --> 02:41:09,520
it's been a fun week it's been a fun

3801
02:41:13,990 --> 02:41:10,880
week for sure

3802
02:41:14,389 --> 02:41:14,000
amazing week in fact i think i tweeted

3803
02:41:16,150 --> 02:41:14,399
out

3804
02:41:18,230 --> 02:41:16,160
you know tonight was like the cherry on

3805
02:41:19,030 --> 02:41:18,240
the top of the whole week you know we

3806
02:41:22,230 --> 02:41:19,040
had the whole

3807
02:41:24,550 --> 02:41:22,240
sunday with the the chocolate fudge and

3808
02:41:26,950 --> 02:41:24,560
the whipped cream and the

3809
02:41:27,590 --> 02:41:26,960
sprinkled nuts and tonight was the

3810
02:41:29,750 --> 02:41:27,600
cherry

3811
02:41:31,030 --> 02:41:29,760
yeah no doubt about it no doubt about it

3812
02:41:32,710 --> 02:41:31,040
uh okay

3813
02:41:35,830 --> 02:41:32,720
uh let me ask you what's what's going

3814
02:41:38,469 --> 02:41:35,840
through your mind right now

3815
02:41:39,190 --> 02:41:38,479
wow well i'm thinking trinity reminds me

3816
02:41:42,309 --> 02:41:39,200
so much

3817
02:41:45,510 --> 02:41:42,319
of the socorro new mexico

3818
02:41:48,790 --> 02:41:45,520
um incident with the shape of the craft

3819
02:41:50,870 --> 02:41:48,800
it seems a similar shape that

3820
02:41:52,230 --> 02:41:50,880
the police officer was able to describe

3821
02:41:55,590 --> 02:41:52,240
in socorro

3822
02:41:58,710 --> 02:41:55,600
both new mexico

3823
02:42:00,230 --> 02:41:58,720
time span apart but

3824
02:42:02,389 --> 02:42:00,240
that's what i'm thinking and then my

3825
02:42:05,910 --> 02:42:02,399
second question is

3826
02:42:08,389 --> 02:42:05,920
which kind of nancy seemed to touch on

3827
02:42:09,429 --> 02:42:08,399
um last night is when you get inside

3828
02:42:11,269 --> 02:42:09,439
these crafts

3829
02:42:13,510 --> 02:42:11,279
i don't know you know maybe they have to

3830
02:42:16,870 --> 02:42:13,520
be operational or hovering and not

3831
02:42:19,030 --> 02:42:16,880
crashed but it seems

3832
02:42:20,469 --> 02:42:19,040
as though even though the structure of

3833
02:42:23,429 --> 02:42:20,479
the craft may be one

3834
02:42:26,550 --> 02:42:23,439
size one dimension individuals that have

3835
02:42:29,670 --> 02:42:26,560
been abducted that go inside the craft

3836
02:42:31,110 --> 02:42:29,680
speak of the craft being much larger

3837
02:42:33,230 --> 02:42:31,120
inside than you would

3838
02:42:34,469 --> 02:42:33,240
suspect from what you see outside

3839
02:42:37,590 --> 02:42:34,479
structurally

3840
02:42:39,349 --> 02:42:37,600
so my question is you know

3841
02:42:41,190 --> 02:42:39,359
could they see any component of that

3842
02:42:42,710 --> 02:42:41,200
it's fascinating because the kids

3843
02:42:45,309 --> 02:42:42,720
reported that the

3844
02:42:46,870 --> 02:42:45,319
walls were smooth and there was no

3845
02:42:52,230 --> 02:42:46,880
instrumentation

3846
02:42:55,190 --> 02:42:52,240
so you know it's just fascinating to me

3847
02:42:55,990 --> 02:42:55,200
and all the fiber optic you know pieces

3848
02:42:59,190 --> 02:42:56,000
they picked up

3849
02:43:03,190 --> 02:42:59,200
you know where is that kind of

3850
02:43:04,950 --> 02:43:03,200
can we see a a glint of that technology

3851
02:43:08,950 --> 02:43:04,960
where somehow there's some sort of this

3852
02:43:12,230 --> 02:43:08,960
expanded space with inside the craft

3853
02:43:15,269 --> 02:43:12,240
there's a there's um i didn't

3854
02:43:16,790 --> 02:43:15,279
get uh an advanced copy of the book

3855
02:43:19,030 --> 02:43:16,800
normally i do

3856
02:43:21,190 --> 02:43:19,040
um i'll have that in a day or two okay

3857
02:43:21,990 --> 02:43:21,200
so that that's fine i had to wait i'm

3858
02:43:25,349 --> 02:43:22,000
kind of glad

3859
02:43:26,870 --> 02:43:25,359
that i didn't get it in advance because

3860
02:43:29,190 --> 02:43:26,880
i wouldn't have been able to ask the

3861
02:43:31,429 --> 02:43:29,200
questions tonight

3862
02:43:33,349 --> 02:43:31,439
i love it when it's just fresh right

3863
02:43:36,389 --> 02:43:33,359
where i'm just able to sit down and go

3864
02:43:40,230 --> 02:43:36,399
what right and i'm able to do that uh

3865
02:43:43,429 --> 02:43:40,240
with all of you but i'm having a hard

3866
02:43:46,630 --> 02:43:43,439
time understanding

3867
02:43:47,910 --> 02:43:46,640
uh the description of the shape of the

3868
02:43:51,269 --> 02:43:47,920
craft

3869
02:43:54,389 --> 02:43:51,279
right which is an avocado soda

3870
02:43:56,230 --> 02:43:54,399
so i'm picturing the craft

3871
02:43:57,990 --> 02:43:56,240
flying i'm gonna i'm gonna draw an

3872
02:43:58,790 --> 02:43:58,000
avocado here and hold it up to the

3873
02:44:02,830 --> 02:43:58,800
camera

3874
02:44:05,590 --> 02:44:02,840
i'm kind of picturing something

3875
02:44:08,950 --> 02:44:05,600
like this

3876
02:44:11,349 --> 02:44:08,960
right flying in that direction you know

3877
02:44:13,349 --> 02:44:11,359
and that this would be the rear of the

3878
02:44:14,550 --> 02:44:13,359
craft and then they described a little

3879
02:44:16,070 --> 02:44:14,560
dome

3880
02:44:18,309 --> 02:44:16,080
on the back of the crash so i'm i'm kind

3881
02:44:21,510 --> 02:44:18,319
of picturing this but then

3882
02:44:23,590 --> 02:44:21,520
but but this is this is what

3883
02:44:24,870 --> 02:44:23,600
jacques said tonight he said this a few

3884
02:44:27,510 --> 02:44:24,880
times

3885
02:44:27,910 --> 02:44:27,520
he said that they had to load it up on

3886
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:27,920
the

3887
02:44:33,510 --> 02:44:31,200
truck sideways to go

3888
02:44:34,870 --> 02:44:33,520
under the underpass well wait a minute

3889
02:44:38,070 --> 02:44:34,880
the overpass

3890
02:44:41,110 --> 02:44:38,080
i thought that this was

3891
02:44:42,070 --> 02:44:41,120
it sounds like this is sideways was the

3892
02:44:46,150 --> 02:44:42,080
craft flying

3893
02:44:49,269 --> 02:44:46,160
this way where or or this way

3894
02:44:50,230 --> 02:44:49,279
right well think about yes and this the

3895
02:44:53,269 --> 02:44:50,240
shape

3896
02:44:54,230 --> 02:44:53,279
keeps coming up think of um von

3897
02:44:58,830 --> 02:44:54,240
daniken's

3898
02:44:58,840 --> 02:45:09,910
uh

3899
02:45:13,110 --> 02:45:12,790
kind of an avocado-shaped sort of if if

3900
02:45:19,670 --> 02:45:13,120
you

3901
02:45:20,550 --> 02:45:19,680
yeah so i'm just trying to um yeah so

3902
02:45:23,590 --> 02:45:20,560
what are they

3903
02:45:27,590 --> 02:45:23,600
right when he says sideways

3904
02:45:29,429 --> 02:45:27,600
to get underneath the overpass

3905
02:45:31,750 --> 02:45:29,439
then what are we actually talking about

3906
02:45:32,950 --> 02:45:31,760
here so i i've got to wait for the book

3907
02:45:35,590 --> 02:45:32,960
so i can

3908
02:45:37,190 --> 02:45:35,600
uh understand a bit more because it

3909
02:45:40,389 --> 02:45:37,200
sounds like when they

3910
02:45:43,510 --> 02:45:40,399
said um again

3911
02:45:45,030 --> 02:45:43,520
i want everybody to try to follow my

3912
02:45:48,870 --> 02:45:45,040
mind here

3913
02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:48,880
they said that the ceiling was 13 feet

3914
02:45:52,469 --> 02:45:49,840
high

3915
02:45:53,269 --> 02:45:52,479
right above their heads so maybe the

3916
02:45:56,469 --> 02:45:53,279
crap

3917
02:45:59,830 --> 02:45:56,479
was flying this way and it wasn't

3918
02:46:02,710 --> 02:45:59,840
necessarily flying this way where

3919
02:46:03,510 --> 02:46:02,720
this would be the floor and then this is

3920
02:46:07,670 --> 02:46:03,520
13

3921
02:46:09,429 --> 02:46:07,680
feet you know in that direction

3922
02:46:10,950 --> 02:46:09,439
or are we talking about a hot air

3923
02:46:14,870 --> 02:46:10,960
balloon yeah right

3924
02:46:18,230 --> 02:46:14,880
or or was the tiny the

3925
02:46:20,790 --> 02:46:18,240
the other spot up on top you know the

3926
02:46:23,190 --> 02:46:20,800
smaller side of the avocado

3927
02:46:24,389 --> 02:46:23,200
i don't know i don't know i don't know

3928
02:46:30,870 --> 02:46:24,399
or was it

3929
02:46:32,070 --> 02:46:30,880
ancient alien poland picture yes yes

3930
02:46:34,790 --> 02:46:32,080
that's what i'm talking about

3931
02:46:35,429 --> 02:46:34,800
right right with the small part in front

3932
02:46:38,550 --> 02:46:35,439
so yeah

3933
02:46:39,510 --> 02:46:38,560
yeah i don't i'm i'm i'm wrestling with

3934
02:46:41,670 --> 02:46:39,520
this

3935
02:46:43,349 --> 02:46:41,680
because he clearly said jacques said

3936
02:46:46,710 --> 02:46:43,359
that they had to put it on its

3937
02:46:49,830 --> 02:46:46,720
side to go underneath the overpass

3938
02:46:53,349 --> 02:46:49,840
and uh just like

3939
02:46:54,870 --> 02:46:53,359
roswell i remember um different radio

3940
02:46:57,910 --> 02:46:54,880
hosts and different people

3941
02:46:59,590 --> 02:46:57,920
and things that were asking questions

3942
02:47:01,750 --> 02:46:59,600
back then

3943
02:47:03,990 --> 02:47:01,760
that's where i'm at right now i feel

3944
02:47:04,950 --> 02:47:04,000
like i'm asking these questions that

3945
02:47:06,710 --> 02:47:04,960
maybe

3946
02:47:07,910 --> 02:47:06,720
later are going to be very fundamental

3947
02:47:10,230 --> 02:47:07,920
it's going to be all easy we're all

3948
02:47:12,309 --> 02:47:10,240
going to understand but right now

3949
02:47:14,950 --> 02:47:12,319
i know this is a pretty good historical

3950
02:47:18,070 --> 02:47:14,960
record people will go back and go man uh

3951
02:47:20,150 --> 02:47:18,080
back there he is yeah back in may and

3952
02:47:23,670 --> 02:47:20,160
i'm trying to draw from like different

3953
02:47:25,750 --> 02:47:23,680
cases any pattern recognition that we

3954
02:47:27,590 --> 02:47:25,760
can kind of draw parallel lines it's

3955
02:47:29,590 --> 02:47:27,600
like when you're looking for a

3956
02:47:31,190 --> 02:47:29,600
you know you you're looking for clues to

3957
02:47:33,750 --> 02:47:31,200
kind of fill in the pieces

3958
02:47:35,269 --> 02:47:33,760
to see you know with these entities have

3959
02:47:38,950 --> 02:47:35,279
they been coming here for

3960
02:47:42,710 --> 02:47:38,960
thousands of years this this avocado

3961
02:47:44,469 --> 02:47:42,720
type craft and then flying saucers that

3962
02:47:45,910 --> 02:47:44,479
might be a different entity from a

3963
02:47:48,950 --> 02:47:45,920
different star system

3964
02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:48,960
and trying to link all of those and it

3965
02:47:53,670 --> 02:47:49,840
seems

3966
02:47:55,830 --> 02:47:53,680
as though um the socorro case

3967
02:47:57,110 --> 02:47:55,840
didn't he see little beans as well and

3968
02:47:58,950 --> 02:47:57,120
they were quite small

3969
02:48:01,110 --> 02:47:58,960
yeah but they had overalls they were

3970
02:48:02,950 --> 02:48:01,120
small and now

3971
02:48:04,950 --> 02:48:02,960
i'm glad you brought that up man i'm

3972
02:48:07,030 --> 02:48:04,960
wondering if paul heineck is listening

3973
02:48:10,349 --> 02:48:07,040
paul if you're listening call me

3974
02:48:12,469 --> 02:48:10,359
right now call me and get on the show uh

3975
02:48:16,150 --> 02:48:12,479
747-228-2051 paul

3976
02:48:18,389 --> 02:48:16,160
uh let me look at paul's number i want

3977
02:48:22,150 --> 02:48:18,399
to get paul on the phone

3978
02:48:24,389 --> 02:48:22,160
and uh the reason why is

3979
02:48:25,910 --> 02:48:24,399
uh hang on hang on everybody i should

3980
02:48:27,670 --> 02:48:25,920
just text him the socorro case is

3981
02:48:32,230 --> 02:48:27,680
actually one of my favorite cases

3982
02:48:33,750 --> 02:48:32,240
paul call me right now 747-228-2051

3983
02:48:35,750 --> 02:48:33,760
quit playing around i want you on the

3984
02:48:38,150 --> 02:48:35,760
show i've got like i've got

3985
02:48:39,830 --> 02:48:38,160
i've got 10 minutes left come on let's

3986
02:48:42,389 --> 02:48:39,840
go

3987
02:48:43,110 --> 02:48:42,399
okay that's the actual text i just said

3988
02:48:46,150 --> 02:48:43,120
paul

3989
02:48:49,510 --> 02:48:46,160
is i've got to uh

3990
02:48:52,630 --> 02:48:49,520
um hold on okay

3991
02:48:56,389 --> 02:48:52,640
hey hey paul hold on for a second let me

3992
02:48:58,790 --> 02:48:56,399
uh let me put you on speaker paul say hi

3993
02:49:02,150 --> 02:48:58,800
to everybody

3994
02:49:02,870 --> 02:49:02,160
hello yeah hey paul you were supposed to

3995
02:49:04,710 --> 02:49:02,880
call the show

3996
02:49:05,910 --> 02:49:04,720
not my cell phone but i've got you on

3997
02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:05,920
speaker

3998
02:49:13,110 --> 02:49:09,680
okay okay um the the references

3999
02:49:15,349 --> 02:49:13,120
everybody this is paul heineck and uh

4000
02:49:16,950 --> 02:49:15,359
uh taking the time off from a crazy

4001
02:49:19,510 --> 02:49:16,960
night oh thanks

4002
02:49:20,710 --> 02:49:19,520
we've got a three-way going this is fun

4003
02:49:23,830 --> 02:49:20,720
yes yes

4004
02:49:27,190 --> 02:49:23,840
uh paul um the references to

4005
02:49:30,790 --> 02:49:27,200
socorro and and this case

4006
02:49:32,230 --> 02:49:30,800
are pretty glaring um your dad got the

4007
02:49:34,230 --> 02:49:32,240
phone call

4008
02:49:35,910 --> 02:49:34,240
you know jetted out he was he was there

4009
02:49:38,950 --> 02:49:35,920
on the scene right away

4010
02:49:42,710 --> 02:49:38,960
but there was uh there were three

4011
02:49:44,630 --> 02:49:42,720
legs right there was a with with socarro

4012
02:49:45,830 --> 02:49:44,640
there were three legs and the craft

4013
02:49:48,309 --> 02:49:45,840
landed

4014
02:49:50,309 --> 02:49:48,319
was there any anything in this case

4015
02:49:53,030 --> 02:49:50,319
because you did go to new mexico

4016
02:49:54,469 --> 02:49:53,040
by the way with jacques and paula on

4017
02:49:57,429 --> 02:49:54,479
this investigation

4018
02:50:00,389 --> 02:49:57,439
uh were there any reports from the kids

4019
02:50:02,309 --> 02:50:00,399
about landing gear

4020
02:50:03,590 --> 02:50:02,319
you know that's a really good question i

4021
02:50:07,349 --> 02:50:03,600
i don't know

4022
02:50:08,870 --> 02:50:07,359
um but you know as you mentioned in the

4023
02:50:10,389 --> 02:50:08,880
show and as jacques mentioned it's very

4024
02:50:13,590 --> 02:50:10,399
close to socorro

4025
02:50:15,429 --> 02:50:13,600
and and jacques and i did go there um

4026
02:50:17,349 --> 02:50:15,439
and there are just so many similarities

4027
02:50:19,269 --> 02:50:17,359
and as as paula said

4028
02:50:21,030 --> 02:50:19,279
in the book jacques does such a

4029
02:50:23,910 --> 02:50:21,040
masterful job

4030
02:50:26,389 --> 02:50:23,920
in taking this case that paula had

4031
02:50:28,790 --> 02:50:26,399
investigated so extensively

4032
02:50:31,030 --> 02:50:28,800
and really weaving it into the tapestry

4033
02:50:32,870 --> 02:50:31,040
of the other cases in new mexico

4034
02:50:34,389 --> 02:50:32,880
and the whole nuclear developments in

4035
02:50:37,910 --> 02:50:34,399
the 40s

4036
02:50:41,510 --> 02:50:37,920
the the other part about this um

4037
02:50:45,190 --> 02:50:41,520
help me understand uh

4038
02:50:48,389 --> 02:50:45,200
jacques describes the kids the witnesses

4039
02:50:51,269 --> 02:50:48,399
said that they put the craft on

4040
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:51,279
its side on the flatbed to get it

4041
02:50:55,910 --> 02:50:52,960
underneath the overpass

4042
02:50:58,870 --> 02:50:55,920
it's been described as an avocado what

4043
02:51:00,870 --> 02:50:58,880
was the top of the craft was the top of

4044
02:51:04,230 --> 02:51:00,880
the craft

4045
02:51:05,910 --> 02:51:04,240
um the small part of the avocado like if

4046
02:51:08,230 --> 02:51:05,920
you put an avocado

4047
02:51:09,030 --> 02:51:08,240
on its end and stood it up on the on a

4048
02:51:12,150 --> 02:51:09,040
table

4049
02:51:15,349 --> 02:51:12,160
is that how it flew

4050
02:51:17,110 --> 02:51:15,359
the orientation i don't know how

4051
02:51:18,469 --> 02:51:17,120
it would fly you know you see a ship

4052
02:51:21,590 --> 02:51:18,479
like that it doesn't really

4053
02:51:23,670 --> 02:51:21,600
look that aerodynamic right um

4054
02:51:24,870 --> 02:51:23,680
you know we've seen reports of of these

4055
02:51:27,510 --> 02:51:24,880
ships that sort of fly

4056
02:51:29,110 --> 02:51:27,520
sideways as opposed to like a saucer

4057
02:51:32,070 --> 02:51:29,120
being horizontal it's more

4058
02:51:33,590 --> 02:51:32,080
vertical right right right right um and

4059
02:51:35,830 --> 02:51:33,600
and you know um

4060
02:51:37,750 --> 02:51:35,840
there were other reports of of things

4061
02:51:39,510 --> 02:51:37,760
seen in the sky close to here

4062
02:51:40,950 --> 02:51:39,520
that sort of established a trajectory

4063
02:51:43,910 --> 02:51:40,960
but i don't know

4064
02:51:45,429 --> 02:51:43,920
exactly how this object would have flown

4065
02:51:47,830 --> 02:51:45,439
in the sky

4066
02:51:49,190 --> 02:51:47,840
yeah it's it's very strange so for it to

4067
02:51:52,630 --> 02:51:49,200
go underneath the

4068
02:51:56,630 --> 02:51:52,640
overpass it was lying on its side

4069
02:52:00,030 --> 02:51:56,640
which means it was

4070
02:52:01,510 --> 02:52:00,040
vertical in its orientation and not

4071
02:52:03,990 --> 02:52:01,520
horizontal

4072
02:52:05,510 --> 02:52:04,000
right if you look at an avocado from the

4073
02:52:07,510 --> 02:52:05,520
side

4074
02:52:08,550 --> 02:52:07,520
that being horizontal and then if you

4075
02:52:11,830 --> 02:52:08,560
tipped it up on its

4076
02:52:13,670 --> 02:52:11,840
end then that would be vertical right

4077
02:52:15,349 --> 02:52:13,680
and so that would give you the 13 foot

4078
02:52:17,510 --> 02:52:15,359
ceiling i guess

4079
02:52:18,710 --> 02:52:17,520
from the inside yeah very strange what

4080
02:52:21,510 --> 02:52:18,720
do you think about this

4081
02:52:22,150 --> 02:52:21,520
uh paul as you you know you've been a

4082
02:52:25,349 --> 02:52:22,160
part of this

4083
02:52:26,950 --> 02:52:25,359
you know from in the first person pretty

4084
02:52:29,510 --> 02:52:26,960
exciting

4085
02:52:31,190 --> 02:52:29,520
yeah i'm just so you know appreciative

4086
02:52:33,269 --> 02:52:31,200
to paula and jacques for

4087
02:52:35,429 --> 02:52:33,279
letting me be part of it and you know

4088
02:52:37,110 --> 02:52:35,439
just to go there and spend time you know

4089
02:52:39,590 --> 02:52:37,120
paulo spent years

4090
02:52:41,590 --> 02:52:39,600
getting to know jose and sabrina and and

4091
02:52:43,910 --> 02:52:41,600
also remy before he passed

4092
02:52:45,110 --> 02:52:43,920
and i got to meet them also and we spent

4093
02:52:48,710 --> 02:52:45,120
days with them

4094
02:52:50,309 --> 02:52:48,720
and to to to be with them and to go to

4095
02:52:52,230 --> 02:52:50,319
the various places and

4096
02:52:54,309 --> 02:52:52,240
and see different angles of the site and

4097
02:52:56,469 --> 02:52:54,319
the actual site itself

4098
02:52:58,070 --> 02:52:56,479
and just talk and and it was such a

4099
02:53:00,309 --> 02:52:58,080
relaxed way

4100
02:53:02,469 --> 02:53:00,319
because they've become friends of ours

4101
02:53:05,830 --> 02:53:02,479
and to talk with them at length

4102
02:53:07,750 --> 02:53:05,840
about about what they saw and you know

4103
02:53:10,150 --> 02:53:07,760
as jacques mentioned the sort of

4104
02:53:12,309 --> 02:53:10,160
emotional aftermath of having to deal

4105
02:53:14,469 --> 02:53:12,319
with something like this your whole life

4106
02:53:16,150 --> 02:53:14,479
it it it's really a fascinating

4107
02:53:17,990 --> 02:53:16,160
experience to go there

4108
02:53:19,830 --> 02:53:18,000
and to be there with paula and jacques

4109
02:53:21,670 --> 02:53:19,840
who really know what they're doing

4110
02:53:23,830 --> 02:53:21,680
you know i i'm gonna throw you under the

4111
02:53:26,150 --> 02:53:23,840
bus paul

4112
02:53:27,910 --> 02:53:26,160
right now i'm going to do it on the air

4113
02:53:31,349 --> 02:53:27,920
i remember you telling me

4114
02:53:33,030 --> 02:53:31,359
a few times over the last few years yeah

4115
02:53:34,550 --> 02:53:33,040
i'm i'm hanging out with jacques and

4116
02:53:35,670 --> 02:53:34,560
paula this weekend i've got to go hang

4117
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:35,680
out with jacqueline paul

4118
02:53:41,190 --> 02:53:38,240
i got to go now i know why

4119
02:53:44,150 --> 02:53:41,200
[Laughter]

4120
02:53:45,590 --> 02:53:44,160
now i know why and and man you keep a

4121
02:53:47,510 --> 02:53:45,600
secret man

4122
02:53:48,710 --> 02:53:47,520
you're a fun guy but you can keep a

4123
02:53:50,309 --> 02:53:48,720
secret

4124
02:53:51,830 --> 02:53:50,319
yeah but you know i don't know if

4125
02:53:52,389 --> 02:53:51,840
there's two people in the world that i

4126
02:53:53,910 --> 02:53:52,399
enjoy

4127
02:53:55,670 --> 02:53:53,920
spending time with more than jacque

4128
02:53:58,309 --> 02:53:55,680
paula you know they're such a

4129
02:53:59,110 --> 02:53:58,319
a part of my family's life and of my

4130
02:54:01,590 --> 02:53:59,120
life now

4131
02:54:03,429 --> 02:54:01,600
well and and plus you get to go on

4132
02:54:06,389 --> 02:54:03,439
archaeological digs

4133
02:54:07,349 --> 02:54:06,399
oh yeah yeah and you know they're

4134
02:54:10,630 --> 02:54:07,359
they're both

4135
02:54:11,269 --> 02:54:10,640
so rightly well known in the ufo field

4136
02:54:14,389 --> 02:54:11,279
and so

4137
02:54:16,550 --> 02:54:14,399
also such international connections

4138
02:54:19,190 --> 02:54:16,560
and obviously jacques is french and and

4139
02:54:20,469 --> 02:54:19,200
paula has done so much field research

4140
02:54:22,550 --> 02:54:20,479
around the world

4141
02:54:24,070 --> 02:54:22,560
uh in south america and europe and all

4142
02:54:27,349 --> 02:54:24,080
over the place that's right

4143
02:54:29,030 --> 02:54:27,359
that's right hey she's a true field

4144
02:54:31,190 --> 02:54:29,040
researcher one of the few that actually

4145
02:54:32,950 --> 02:54:31,200
gets out there all the time in the field

4146
02:54:35,429 --> 02:54:32,960
thank you for texting me tonight and

4147
02:54:37,670 --> 02:54:35,439
thank you for responding to my text and

4148
02:54:41,110 --> 02:54:37,680
thank you for hanging out

4149
02:54:41,830 --> 02:54:41,120
sure i i you know i'm a big fan of your

4150
02:54:43,510 --> 02:54:41,840
show

4151
02:54:45,269 --> 02:54:43,520
and when you have uh folks like

4152
02:54:46,950 --> 02:54:45,279
accompalo there of course i'll be there

4153
02:54:48,469 --> 02:54:46,960
you're the best paul man thank you so

4154
02:54:50,230 --> 02:54:48,479
much you're like the coolest person i

4155
02:54:53,190 --> 02:54:50,240
know thank you so much my friend

4156
02:54:54,469 --> 02:54:53,200
all right good night good night paul

4157
02:54:57,429 --> 02:54:54,479
heineck

4158
02:54:58,950 --> 02:54:57,439
there you go cool yeah yeah carrie that

4159
02:55:01,990 --> 02:54:58,960
was so cool

4160
02:55:04,950 --> 02:55:02,000
you know and um i i just want to

4161
02:55:06,950 --> 02:55:04,960
say this to everybody it seemed like

4162
02:55:09,670 --> 02:55:06,960
everybody that i knew was involved in

4163
02:55:11,349 --> 02:55:09,680
this but nobody was talking

4164
02:55:13,110 --> 02:55:11,359
the more that i think about it you were

4165
02:55:13,750 --> 02:55:13,120
really on to something man i'm getting a

4166
02:55:17,670 --> 02:55:13,760
little more

4167
02:55:20,950 --> 02:55:17,680
angry actually it's so funny

4168
02:55:24,309 --> 02:55:20,960
oh man yeah now uh so carrie

4169
02:55:26,630 --> 02:55:24,319
um when you hear um

4170
02:55:28,230 --> 02:55:26,640
one of the things uh that paula said

4171
02:55:29,429 --> 02:55:28,240
tonight was i think one of the most

4172
02:55:31,190 --> 02:55:29,439
important parts

4173
02:55:33,030 --> 02:55:31,200
is that it's a collaboration it's a

4174
02:55:37,030 --> 02:55:33,040
collaboration

4175
02:55:39,190 --> 02:55:37,040
it's a partner and you are working with

4176
02:55:40,150 --> 02:55:39,200
somebody else and they are going to look

4177
02:55:41,190 --> 02:55:40,160
at things that you're never going to

4178
02:55:43,910 --> 02:55:41,200
think about

4179
02:55:44,469 --> 02:55:43,920
and you are going to look at things and

4180
02:55:47,349 --> 02:55:44,479
think about

4181
02:55:48,550 --> 02:55:47,359
that they would not consider and that's

4182
02:55:49,990 --> 02:55:48,560
how you get things done

4183
02:55:51,910 --> 02:55:50,000
i thought that was a pretty important

4184
02:55:54,150 --> 02:55:51,920
point didn't you

4185
02:55:57,030 --> 02:55:54,160
absolutely and you know nancy kind of

4186
02:56:00,150 --> 02:55:57,040
echoed that last night and and she

4187
02:56:02,630 --> 02:56:00,160
she ended the show with such the most

4188
02:56:03,269 --> 02:56:02,640
beautiful statement that it really is

4189
02:56:04,950 --> 02:56:03,279
all about

4190
02:56:06,469 --> 02:56:04,960
love and that was the message she was

4191
02:56:08,150 --> 02:56:06,479
giving to us or

4192
02:56:10,230 --> 02:56:08,160
you know it felt as though she was

4193
02:56:12,469 --> 02:56:10,240
prompted to give but earlier

4194
02:56:13,269 --> 02:56:12,479
in your interview with her she talked

4195
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:13,279
about

4196
02:56:17,429 --> 02:56:15,359
how at first you know the you know parts

4197
02:56:19,750 --> 02:56:17,439
of the community were accepting not

4198
02:56:21,830 --> 02:56:19,760
others and i think both of you kind of

4199
02:56:23,110 --> 02:56:21,840
touched on the collaboration is so

4200
02:56:25,830 --> 02:56:23,120
important

4201
02:56:26,309 --> 02:56:25,840
and you know that is how we fill in

4202
02:56:30,469 --> 02:56:26,319
these

4203
02:56:31,910 --> 02:56:30,479
pieces of you know you have a piece i

4204
02:56:37,510 --> 02:56:31,920
have a piece

4205
02:56:39,590 --> 02:56:37,520
that's why i think it's so important if

4206
02:56:40,150 --> 02:56:39,600
you know this moves forward and we

4207
02:56:43,349 --> 02:56:40,160
really get

4208
02:56:44,630 --> 02:56:43,359
serious about some sort of you know

4209
02:56:48,150 --> 02:56:44,640
governmental

4210
02:56:48,950 --> 02:56:48,160
investigation that civilians and part of

4211
02:56:51,269 --> 02:56:48,960
our community

4212
02:56:53,269 --> 02:56:51,279
need to be a part of that i've said that

4213
02:56:54,150 --> 02:56:53,279
from the very beginning because we have

4214
02:56:55,990 --> 02:56:54,160
sightings

4215
02:56:57,750 --> 02:56:56,000
you know my sighting was when i was nine

4216
02:57:00,070 --> 02:56:57,760
years old nancy's was

4217
02:57:01,750 --> 02:57:00,080
you know when she was 12 and i mean

4218
02:57:05,750 --> 02:57:01,760
chill the children of

4219
02:57:08,950 --> 02:57:05,760
trinity these are very reliable

4220
02:57:11,830 --> 02:57:08,960
witnesses and their sightings

4221
02:57:13,429 --> 02:57:11,840
changed the trajectory of their life and

4222
02:57:15,750 --> 02:57:13,439
so here we are

4223
02:57:17,590 --> 02:57:15,760
you know it's great that we have this

4224
02:57:19,910 --> 02:57:17,600
kind of myoptic

4225
02:57:21,990 --> 02:57:19,920
one view from the military's point of

4226
02:57:22,790 --> 02:57:22,000
view but what about civilians that have

4227
02:57:25,910 --> 02:57:22,800
seen

4228
02:57:28,389 --> 02:57:25,920
amazing sightings craft

4229
02:57:30,630 --> 02:57:28,399
experiences in their own backyard front

4230
02:57:33,349 --> 02:57:30,640
yard what about the phoenix lights

4231
02:57:34,710 --> 02:57:33,359
sightings what about those individuals i

4232
02:57:38,870 --> 02:57:34,720
really feel

4233
02:57:41,190 --> 02:57:38,880
you know hopefully that

4234
02:57:42,469 --> 02:57:41,200
somehow we can merge all of our

4235
02:57:45,910 --> 02:57:42,479
knowledge

4236
02:57:48,150 --> 02:57:45,920
you know in some sort of collected

4237
02:57:50,230 --> 02:57:48,160
database and we can start doing things

4238
02:57:53,269 --> 02:57:50,240
like we just did tonight

4239
02:57:54,790 --> 02:57:53,279
you getting you know paul paul heineken

4240
02:57:56,469 --> 02:57:54,800
to go to you on the show which is

4241
02:57:59,590 --> 02:57:56,479
amazing you know

4242
02:58:01,830 --> 02:57:59,600
um valet and paula

4243
02:58:03,110 --> 02:58:01,840
paula harris you know all of us kind of

4244
02:58:04,950 --> 02:58:03,120
picking up these pieces

4245
02:58:07,349 --> 02:58:04,960
and going what about that case in this

4246
02:58:08,630 --> 02:58:07,359
case and drawing comparisons and

4247
02:58:11,269 --> 02:58:08,640
contrasting

4248
02:58:13,190 --> 02:58:11,279
and that's how we get to the heart of it

4249
02:58:16,710 --> 02:58:13,200
and that's how we really

4250
02:58:19,670 --> 02:58:16,720
uncover and create our own disclosure

4251
02:58:21,269 --> 02:58:19,680
and you know one of the best parts uh

4252
02:58:24,309 --> 02:58:21,279
with all of this carrie

4253
02:58:27,030 --> 02:58:24,319
is i expect uh

4254
02:58:28,150 --> 02:58:27,040
paula with her connections and people

4255
02:58:30,070 --> 02:58:28,160
that reach out to her

4256
02:58:31,510 --> 02:58:30,080
she's been doing this for a long time

4257
02:58:33,510 --> 02:58:31,520
that have information

4258
02:58:35,190 --> 02:58:33,520
and and and paul's going to talk about

4259
02:58:36,150 --> 02:58:35,200
that and she's had her own experiences

4260
02:58:39,429 --> 02:58:36,160
too

4261
02:58:41,910 --> 02:58:39,439
um and and we expect that but the

4262
02:58:43,190 --> 02:58:41,920
other part for the ufo community with

4263
02:58:46,550 --> 02:58:43,200
this book

4264
02:58:50,150 --> 02:58:46,560
is everybody knows that if jacques is

4265
02:58:52,550 --> 02:58:50,160
investigating this and

4266
02:58:53,429 --> 02:58:52,560
that's the part where the ufo community

4267
02:58:56,230 --> 02:58:53,439
goes okay

4268
02:58:58,630 --> 02:58:56,240
hold on a minute we have jacques here to

4269
02:59:00,870 --> 02:58:58,640
handle that side of this investigation

4270
02:59:02,230 --> 02:59:00,880
and if he's getting together with paula

4271
02:59:05,349 --> 02:59:02,240
we need to step

4272
02:59:07,990 --> 02:59:05,359
up and pay attention here and so

4273
02:59:10,630 --> 02:59:08,000
does the rest of the world and that is

4274
02:59:13,110 --> 02:59:10,640
what's great about the yin and yang

4275
02:59:14,550 --> 02:59:13,120
of a collaboration and for everybody

4276
02:59:17,429 --> 02:59:14,560
else they know

4277
02:59:19,510 --> 02:59:17,439
you know jacques got his supporters he's

4278
02:59:21,750 --> 02:59:19,520
written a lot of very important books

4279
02:59:23,269 --> 02:59:21,760
and then they see paula coming in they

4280
02:59:25,349 --> 02:59:23,279
go wait a minute we need to

4281
02:59:27,750 --> 02:59:25,359
pay attention here we're from the

4282
02:59:27,990 --> 02:59:27,760
science side but it's paula harris she's

4283
02:59:31,190 --> 02:59:28,000
got

4284
02:59:34,950 --> 02:59:31,200
this case and it's it's it's

4285
02:59:38,150 --> 02:59:34,960
so refreshing to see this come together

4286
02:59:40,309 --> 02:59:38,160
come out and and and make the waves that

4287
02:59:43,030 --> 02:59:40,319
it deserves it's a gift man

4288
02:59:43,830 --> 02:59:43,040
i keep saying it it's a gift carrie you

4289
02:59:45,990 --> 02:59:43,840
are a gift

4290
02:59:47,110 --> 02:59:46,000
thank you so much and behave right there

4291
02:59:49,269 --> 02:59:47,120
jimmy and this

4292
02:59:51,030 --> 02:59:49,279
show has been a gift and all of your

4293
02:59:53,590 --> 02:59:51,040
guests have been a gift and all the

4294
02:59:55,429 --> 02:59:53,600
faith or not sorry gift so thank you for

4295
02:59:57,510 --> 02:59:55,439
an incredible week jimmy

4296
02:59:59,510 --> 02:59:57,520
thank you so much just wait for next

4297
03:00:02,150 --> 02:59:59,520
week i'll talk to you thank you

4298
03:00:02,790 --> 03:00:02,160
all right have a good night time to fade

4299
03:00:05,269 --> 03:00:02,800
the blast

4300
03:00:07,670 --> 03:00:05,279
it's time to fade to black that's kerry

4301
03:00:09,190 --> 03:00:07,680
from palm springs thank you so much

4302
03:00:12,230 --> 03:00:09,200
and uh with that i got to get out of

4303
03:00:14,389 --> 03:00:12,240
here that's it what an incredible show

4304
03:00:16,550 --> 03:00:14,399
uh of course i've got to say thank you

4305
03:00:18,550 --> 03:00:16,560
to uh paula harrison

4306
03:00:20,790 --> 03:00:18,560
and jacques valet that was incredible of

4307
03:00:23,349 --> 03:00:20,800
course paul heineck

4308
03:00:25,429 --> 03:00:23,359
reaching out that was incredible thank

4309
03:00:26,309 --> 03:00:25,439
you carrie that was uh another awesome

4310
03:00:28,230 --> 03:00:26,319
phone call

4311
03:00:29,910 --> 03:00:28,240
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4312
03:00:31,590 --> 03:00:29,920
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4313
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4314
03:00:36,469 --> 03:00:33,760
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4315
03:00:39,710 --> 03:00:36,479
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4316
03:00:41,269 --> 03:00:39,720
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4317
03:00:43,349 --> 03:00:41,279
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4318
03:00:45,190 --> 03:00:43,359
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4319
03:00:47,349 --> 03:00:45,200
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4320
03:00:49,830 --> 03:00:47,359
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4321
03:00:52,150 --> 03:00:49,840
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4322
03:00:53,990 --> 03:00:52,160
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4323
03:00:55,750 --> 03:00:54,000
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4324
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4325
03:00:58,070 --> 03:00:57,200
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4326
03:00:59,670 --> 03:00:58,080
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4327
03:01:01,429 --> 03:00:59,680
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4328
03:01:03,110 --> 03:01:01,439
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4329
03:01:06,550 --> 03:01:03,120
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4330
03:01:07,990 --> 03:01:06,560
everybody have a great safe fun amazing

4331
03:01:12,150 --> 03:01:08,000
weekend

4332
03:01:15,269 --> 03:01:12,160
i'm going to but i'll see you on monday

4333
03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:15,279
until then it's time to

4334
03:01:32,830 --> 03:01:20,010
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4335
03:01:32,840 --> 03:01:36,050
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